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Shifted, or did the minorities who previously voted for Democrats stay home this time?
It's both. Diaper boy did better than ever with black and hispanic voters. Turnout was also lower.
The super misogynist manosphere influencers Trump went on a big run of interviews with make the big difference here. So many highly toxic GenZ males because of shit bags like that and A LOT of young non-white men listen to those podcasts and watch those videos
That is a distinction without a difference.
No it’s not. Voter disenfranchisement is more advanced than it previously was, especially for minority voters, and it may not have been a real choice not to vote, but rather last moment voter roll purges, late absentee ballots, or simply not being able to make it through the line before closing time. Even if it was just a lack of motivation, inertia is not the same as accelerationism even though they have the same effect, and it’s reasonable to be curious about whether people stayed home or specifically voted for a person who’s been pretty heavily targeting them this campaign season.
Finding out why people stayed home is essential.
According to all my convos dems weren't progressive enough to let win. Sooo they let Trump win....
That's a bold strategy, let's see if it pans out.
Well if the dems shatter it will guarantee GOP victory for years.
I wish they went with my plan and kept teaming up against the GOP for now and then turn on the dems once the nazis are out.
Though i get the feeling if everyone did, the dems would end being being just like the GOP once they see all the free votes sitting there.
I think the pandemic also played huge a part (obviously). People were worried about going out, so they sent mail in ballots. On top of that a lot of people were at home. They had nothing to do and Trump was botching things so badly, going to the polls wasn’t a chore. A little scary? Maybe.
A lot of those people may have been stuck at work this time around. We need to make Election Day a federal holiday.
Not that anyone in power will be motivated to do such a thing.
It blows my mind that Donald Trump is so popular. I can’t understand it at all. I really can’t. I didn’t cry this time around though. I knew it was possible at least.
No it's not. People won't participate in a system they feel only exists to harm them. If i am at a bar and one bartender says they are gonna kill me if i dont tip 50% and the other bar tender says that they'll only rough me up a bit if i I don't tip 30%, not getting a drink from either.
People would rather not participate instead of legitimize a system that only does them harm.
OK but the first guy is still going to kill you
I'm really hoping that this wasn't the reasoning people had for throwing the planet under the bus
I agree with most everything you said.
Except, the planet will be fine. We're killing our ability to live on it for sure but the earth will go on even if it's just microbes for a few million years
Yeah cool Malcolm, it's been 30 years, you don't need to give this speech every time uses it as shorthand for "in the context of our continued survival on it".
It's an important distinction, imo. "Everything dies" vs "humans die"
Luckily the truth is pretty far in the middle.
People have been screaming at you for 8 years that "Not Trump" is not a viable election strategy. You need to offer an actual, concrete alternative. Until the Democrats start actually offer real alternatives, they will continue to be shocked these results.
I don't need to offer anything. I'm from a country with a parliament, ranked choice voting, proportional representation. But if you still don't get that not Trump should absolutely be better than "whatever, I guess", you deserve what's coming.
So you believe that people who don't vote for what you want deserve punishment?
Punishment? No. To get exactly what they actively chose to make happen? Of course.
Interesting that you'd frame "consequences if their actions" as "punishment". Because punishment is usually a consequence of your actions, while not all consequences are punishment.
It isn't really since we know that low turnout elections tend to lean to the right.