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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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He's finally arrested.

Minneapolis police are now facing heavy criticism for not arresting Sawchak before the shooting even though he had multiple complaints.

Members of the Minneapolis City Council, including Mayor Jacob Frey, pointed blame at the Minneapolis police department for not acting on any of the prior complaints against Sawchak and failing to arrest him immediately after the shooting. https://newsone.com/5658819/white-man-shoots-black-neighbor-minneapolis/

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[–] someguy3 53 points 1 month ago (1 children)

According to CBS News, Sawchak was taken into custody early Monday morning. Police said Sawchak had been holed up in his house for several days, but just before 1:30 a.m., he surrendered peacefully

[–] NessD 67 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Several days? Was this a siege? In any other case they'd torn down the house.

[–] TexasDrunk 49 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There must not have been any dogs or innocent bystanders to kill.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago

Besides, he was white, which is code for "negotiations only."

[–] Nastybutler 19 points 1 month ago
[–] EleventhHour 19 points 1 month ago

Even that shitbag realized what he had done was wrong before the cops did.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

With Christopher Dorner they burned the house down with him in it. Apparently the Minnesota police could use some training from California police.

Edit: /s

[–] nelly_man 12 points 1 month ago

And in Colorado, police blew up somebody's house because a shoplifter broke in and refused to leave.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrest_of_Robert_Seacat

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

With Christopher Dorner they burned the house down with him in it.

TBF that's less egregious than randomly shooting up cars that didn't even match the description of Dorner's car.

[–] WoahWoah 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Just because the vehicle they shot up was the wrong make, model, year, color, and had two people in it that didn't match the description in any way, shape, or form doesn't mean the shooting wasn't justified. They both had four wheels, did they not? Ok then.

[–] Jiggle_Physics 1 points 1 month ago

They said he had collected a large arsenal with like 250k rounds of ammo and had reason to believe he may have placed booby traps. so, take that as you will