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European auto giants launch a flurry of cheaper electric vehicles — taking the fight to China (www.cnbc.com)
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" ... as soon as vehicles come in the right price range next year … people will flock to buy them.”

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[–] Ensign_Crab 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Europe wouldn't. The US would. I'm one of those US-centric users everyone gripes about, it would seem.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I don't think the US would either. Their justification for tariffs on Chinese cars was that they were uncompetitively cheap due to subsidies. Doubt EU is gonna subsidize cars, at least as heavily as China.

[–] Ensign_Crab 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Their justification for tariffs on Chinese cars was that they were uncompetitively cheap due to subsidies.

That was the justification, yes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Whether you agree or not with their justification (or think that it's not the real reason), they clearly have no justifications (or reasons) to impose tariffs on unsubsidized (or at least not as heavily subsidized) EU cars.

[–] Ensign_Crab 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Except for the oil lobby.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The oil lobby wouldn't be specifically against cars from another region, they are against electric vehicles in general, whether they are produced domestically or otherwise. The primary benefactors from the tariffs are the US electric car manufacturers, who would lose profit over not being able to compete with subsidized cars. They are probably the ones who lobbied for them.

[–] Ensign_Crab 2 points 1 month ago

The oil lobby wouldn’t be specifically against cars from another region, they are against electric vehicles in general, whether they are produced domestically or otherwise.

They're against inexpensive electric vehicles.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 weeks ago

Their justification for tariffs on Chinese cars was that they were uncompetitively cheap due to subsidies.

This is mostly a lie. EU placed smaller/fairer tariffs based on those subsidy allegations, but in US, all politicians are devoted to oil oligarchy profits. 100% EV tariffs and 50% solar tariffs, 25% battery and ebike tariffs are all about protecting oil, instead of small domestic solar industry. Global warming is a lower priority than war, or making sure existing and new oligarchs have plenty of profits to fund politicians with.