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[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Is this some contemporary soviet propaganda? I mean all the people who died for political reasons or because the state economy was mismanaged probably don't care much about these achievements.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

(To borrow from Cowbee's comment a bit) Wealth inequality was far lower in the Soviet Union's socialist system than the Tsarist system before it, the capitalist system after it was overthrown (obviously), and than western capitalist countries in the same time period.

https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/soviets-oligarchs-inequality-and-property-russia-1905-2016

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

No wonder then that 90% of the Soviet population voted to stay in the Union, but of course that didn't stop its overthrow because capitalists had already taken it over by then.

A poll in 2009

As time passes though, the capitalist propaganda that kids in these places grow up with will probably start to outweigh the lived experiences of worsened living conditions after capitalists overthrew the USSR that their parents had. It's sad.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No matter how much time passes, I doubt the Capitalists can erase the memory of roughly 7 million excess deaths due to Shock Doctrine after dissolving the USSR.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

can erase the memory of roughly 7 million excess deaths due to Shock Doctrine after dissolving the USSR

Why not? Talk to the teenagers in Russia. I doubt many would be even aware. Nor that they'd care, claiming "well it was worse under sovok"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

not to refute your point, but without n values per country this poll is meaningless:

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2009/11/02/end-of-communism-cheered-but-now-with-more-reservations/

The closest thing I've seen to an n value is 14760, which seems good, but no idea what the distribution of votes is, most of those might come from Bulgaria as far as we know

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Funny you focus on whatever this is and conveniently ignore the millions murdered by the state.

I'm here because my family escaped that shit.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Funny you focus on whatever this is

Is it a bad thing to highlight that wealth disparity dramatically shrank in the USSR and dramatically increased in the Russian Federation?

and conveniently ignore the millions murdered by the state.

Are you referring to Nazi sympathizers, the Tsarist White Army, or Capitalist insurgents?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Won’t somebody please think of the Nazis and gusanos!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I’m sure homeless people and victims of the opioid crisis in the US also don’t care about US achievements in for example the olympics but people still talk about them.