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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

The illegal dissollution of the USSR was one of Humanity's greatest tragedies, and anyone who thinks the Russian Federation is an improvement needs to do some serious introspection.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

From one of the comments
Countries listed by the first launches of artificial Earth satellites:

  1. USSR - 1957

  2. USA - 1958

  3. UK - 1962

  4. Canada - 1962

  5. Italy - 1964

  6. France - 1965

  7. Australia - 1967

  8. Europe - 1968

  9. Germany - 1969

  10. Japan - 1970

  11. China - 1970

  12. Poland - 1973

  13. Netherlands - 1974

  14. Spain - 1974

  15. India - 1975

Countries listed by the first launches of space satellites with their own launch vehicles:

  1. USSR - October 4, 1957

  2. USA - February 1, 1958

  3. France - November 26, 1965

  4. Italy - April 26, 1967

  5. Japan - February 11, 1970

  6. China - April 24, 1970

  7. UK - October 28, 1971

  • European Union - December 24, 1979
  1. India - 18 July 1980

  2. Israel - September 19, 1988

  • Russia - January 21, 1992

  • Ukraine - August 31, 1995

  1. Iran - February 2, 2009

  2. DPRK - December 12, 2012

  3. Republic of Korea - 30 January 2013

  4. New Zealand - January 21, 2018

Countries listed by the first flights of astronauts:

  1. USSR - April 12, 1961

  2. USA - May 5, 1961

  3. Czechoslovakia - March 2, 1978

  4. Poland - June 27, 1978

  5. GDR - 26 August 1978

  6. Bulgaria - April 10, 1979

  7. Hungary - May 26, 1980

  8. Vietnam - July 23, 1980

  9. Cuba - September 18, 1980

  10. Mongolia - March 22, 1981

  11. Romania - May 14, 1981

  12. France - June 24, 1982

  13. FRG - November 28, 1983

  14. India - April 3, 1984

  15. Canada - October 5, 1984

Countries listed by the number of first-of-its-kind spacecraft (remarkable, of historical significance, with achievements that were made for the first time by one of the countries) until 1992:

  1. USSR - 21

  2. USA - 15

  3. EU - 1

Countries listed by the number of spacecraft launched to explore the solar system, as well as first-of-its-kind or noteworthy vehicles launched into low Earth orbit before 1992:

  1. USSR - 115

  2. USA - 84

  3. EU - 4

  4. Japan - 4

  5. Germany - 2

  6. UK - 1

Countries listed by the number of successful orbital launches (not including emergency and partially emergency) until 1992:

  1. USSR - 2278

  2. USA - 903

  3. Japan - 42

  4. France - 39

  5. China - 27

  6. EU - 13

  7. Kenya* - 9

  8. India - 3

  9. Australia - 2

  10. Israel - 2

  • Italian naval spaceport "San Marco" located off the coast of Kenya and used to launch American missiles "Scout".

Countries listed by the lowest proportion of emergency orbital launches for countries with more than 10 launches before 1992:

  1. USSR - 5.54%

  2. EU - 7.14%

  3. USA - 11.25%

  4. Japan - 12.24%

  5. France - 14.89%

  6. China - 17.65%

Countries listed by the lowest proportion of accidental and partially accidental orbital launches for countries with more than 10 launches before 1992:

  1. USSR - 7.13%

  2. EU - 7.14%

  3. Japan - 14.29%

  4. USA - 14.65%

  5. France - 17.02%

  6. China - 20.59%

The number of dead astronauts:

  • when performing space flight: in the USSR - 4, in the USA - 14;

  • in preparation for space flight: the USSR - 1, the USA - 5.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Is this some contemporary soviet propaganda? I mean all the people who died for political reasons or because the state economy was mismanaged probably don't care much about these achievements.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

(To borrow from Cowbee's comment a bit) Wealth inequality was far lower in the Soviet Union's socialist system than the Tsarist system before it, the capitalist system after it was overthrown (obviously), and than western capitalist countries in the same time period.

https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/soviets-oligarchs-inequality-and-property-russia-1905-2016

Source

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

No wonder then that 90% of the Soviet population voted to stay in the Union, but of course that didn't stop its overthrow because capitalists had already taken it over by then.

A poll in 2009

As time passes though, the capitalist propaganda that kids in these places grow up with will probably start to outweigh the lived experiences of worsened living conditions after capitalists overthrew the USSR that their parents had. It's sad.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No matter how much time passes, I doubt the Capitalists can erase the memory of roughly 7 million excess deaths due to Shock Doctrine after dissolving the USSR.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

can erase the memory of roughly 7 million excess deaths due to Shock Doctrine after dissolving the USSR

Why not? Talk to the teenagers in Russia. I doubt many would be even aware. Nor that they'd care, claiming "well it was worse under sovok"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

not to refute your point, but without n values per country this poll is meaningless:

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2009/11/02/end-of-communism-cheered-but-now-with-more-reservations/

The closest thing I've seen to an n value is 14760, which seems good, but no idea what the distribution of votes is, most of those might come from Bulgaria as far as we know

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Funny you focus on whatever this is and conveniently ignore the millions murdered by the state.

I'm here because my family escaped that shit.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Funny you focus on whatever this is

Is it a bad thing to highlight that wealth disparity dramatically shrank in the USSR and dramatically increased in the Russian Federation?

and conveniently ignore the millions murdered by the state.

Are you referring to Nazi sympathizers, the Tsarist White Army, or Capitalist insurgents?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Won’t somebody please think of the Nazis and gusanos!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I’m sure homeless people and victims of the opioid crisis in the US also don’t care about US achievements in for example the olympics but people still talk about them.