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Family of Green Beret buried in Arlington cemetery 'clearly displeased' by Trump: Haberman (www.rawstory.com)

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

It is not indicated in the article who the people from the popularized thumbs up photo are in relation to the family complaining. The article indicates the family was unhappy their family's gravesite was included in the photo. I was curious if those in the photo were intimidated or coerced into posing, or if ANOTHER family is discussing ANOTHER gravestone, which is what I asked for clarity on. Getting a one word "no" is not useful, so I followed up.

Edit also this is a discussion forum, and my comment could also indicate I didn't understand something. It's not unreasonable to ask people to clarify.

Your reply is toxic, and assumes the worst of others.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The first paragraph:

A New York Times reporter joined CNN on Wednesday night to discuss her reporting on the family of a Green Beret buried in Arlington National Cemetery expressing concern that former President Donald Trump's campaign filmed at his gravesite without permission and in an area where campaign photos are banned.

Strongly implies it's not the family in the picture.

If we continue reading:

His family told the Times that Marckesano's gravesite was caught in pictures with Trump.

While another family said they wanted Trump there, this family did not.

"The Marckesano family was not contacted or asked for this, but his gravestone is now in that TikTok video from behind," said Times reporter Maggie Haberman on CNN, noting the front of the gravestone with his name is in pictures posted online with Trump giving a thumbs-up.

Steven Cheung, a Trump campaign spokesman, told the Times in a statement that “the campaign will continue to respect the wishes of the Gold Star family members who invited President Trump.”

Haberman noted Gold Star families are not a "monolith" and have differing political opinions. The "broader issue" in this case is whether Trump violated federal law.

"So far the Trump campaign has yet to provide documentation of its claim that it was permitted to do this and that there was an agreement," she said.

It's all very clear from the article if you tried reading it in the first place before asking others to explain it to you.

[+] [email protected] -7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

As I said, I did read it. I'm not taking a test here, I'm not held to academic rigor. I didn't get it. I wasn't satisfied with the implied conclusion you mentioned. I asked. This is an appropriate place to ask, and no one is obligated to respond.

There is nothing in your quoted text that definitely clarifies the following question: " was the pictured family the family that did not want the gravesite pictured? If so, were they coerced into taking that photo?" If not then we can assume the gravesite of the family in question is in the background and my question would have also been solved.

You are displaying very negative behavior, you could just not be involved, but have chosen to do so.

Edit for clarity: none of your responses have clarified who the family in the popularized photo is, that's all I cared about, to see if that family was forced into that photo, which would be terrible

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

none of your responses have clarified who the family in the popularized photo is, that's all I cared about

Your first comment was:

Are these the folks pictured? Why did they agree to that, and smile?

Clearly from reading the article they are not.

When you didn't bother to read the article in the first place before making comments on it people are going to assume you also haven't bothered to find the information of "who the family in the photo was" on your own before asking others to find out for you.

you could just not be involved, but have chosen to do so.

You asked why you were receiving downvotes. I explained.

You responded that the article was not clear, I quoted relevant sections.

Don't ask questions you don't want answers to. If you don't want to interact with me you could not reply, but have chosen to do so.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It is not clear! It is implied at best and it didn't satisfied my understanding.

Edit my whole premise was that I was unclear from the article who the pictured family was. I was not satisfied that they were, or weren't the family who was unhappy. My conclusion I wanted to circle was if they WERE that family, the fact.they were drawn into the photo is another layer of egregious disrespect.

You assumed I didn't read and continue to do so, I dispelled that assumption. Asking for clarification even if you didn't read it not grounds for rudeness. Remember: someone may not have understood what they read! Which was my situation.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

It is not clear

"The Marckesano family was not contacted or asked for this"

I don't know how it could be more clear.

And if it was so unclear then your question of "why did they agree to do this and smile?" is inappropriate because there is nothing indicating they are the family in the photo and you assumed it to be true.