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Why did NixOS gain so much traction lately, considering its 20 years old? (slrpnk.net)
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It’s finally ready for mass adoption, IMO

No way. It's still a specialist OS. There's no way I'm putting this into the hands of a linux newbie or even the average linux user. There config still doesn't have a UI, the flakes vs non-flakes debate is still in full swing (nixpkgs doesn't have flakes), the doc is far, far, far from user friendly, writing a nix package is still not easy, and so much more.

Nix for sure was (and probably is) ahead of its time, but the UX is amongst the worst I've experienced - and I've written init and upstart services and configured my network with ipconfig before networkmanager was stable.

Anti Commercial-AI license

[–] Zangoose 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Mass adoption doesn't necessarily mean Linux newbie. NixOS seems to be targeting the DevOps crowd with its stability/immutability -- that is, people who would be comfortable building their system from a config file that doesn't have a UI. They're already basically doing that with other tools.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I don't know a single devops who uses it. Not a single person in the tech companies I've been in had even heard of it. When I presented it to resolve problems it could resolve, one response was "but I watched a video that said it's hard to learn" (one from distrotube, I think) and another was "it doesn't work on mac, does it?" and that was that.

Anti Commercial-AI license

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I find it actually incredible that you don’t know anyone in DEVOPS that uses it. Either you’re at a giant company with a custom stack that replicates its functionality (Meta employees that I asked didn’t know about it) or you don’t talk to other devs. It’s like THE devops tool nowadays (only taking a second place to Docker/OCI).

It does, in fact, work on Mac, FreeBSD, Windows, and actually almost anywhere that SSH can be run.

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[–] Feathercrown 5 points 2 months ago

“it doesn’t work on mac, does it?”

How is this person even in devops lol

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

🙄

Did you just post a license for your humblebrag soapbox rant about NixOS?

Edit: I’ll leave some points where I agree since you’re very fixated on/preoccupied with who won this debate (or something). In the long run, most Nix users are wishing for a complete rewrite of NixOS with Nix’s modern approach codified as standard. After all, to your point, Nix is just a massive pile of Perl and Bash under the hood. It could unquestionably be more capable if they had the benefit of hindsight (or a proper type system built into the language) like GUIX which uses Scheme as their DSL has. AFAIK, though, Nix flakes are a feature that GUIX badly needs.

For GUIX: Does anyone know about content-addressed derivations in GUIX? I figure that might also be a place where Nix bests GUIX but perhaps some GUIX(pronounced geeks) can correct me before I search for answers.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They actually believe AI scraping lemmy will follow the link to the license, understand it, and except their comment.

[–] grue 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't think they believe that; I think they either (a) think a human lawyer would understand it during the class-action suit after the the AI scrapes it anyway, or (b) more likely, they're doing it to make a point as a matter of principle.

Either seems pretty fucking reasonable, to be honest!

[–] barsquid 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's just noise. Assuming US jurisdiction where many of the AI companies are based; either AI scraping is fair use, in which case the license is meaningless, or AI scraping is not fair use, in which case they already have the copyright.

[–] grue 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

or AI scraping is not fair use, in which case they already have the copyright.

What? How would an AI company have copyright over @[email protected]'s comment? That makes no sense at all.

[–] barsquid 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's the other way around, onlinepersona already has the copyright. Asserting that the copyright is non-commercial changes nothing. The default is non-commercial. The default is nobody can use it. They are applying a more permissive copyright than the default.

[–] grue 1 points 2 months ago

Ah, I see what you mean now.