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The joyful Minnesota governor is a valuable spokesperson for Harris whose background and personality can help the Democratic ticket undermine Trump’s efforts to woo America’s men.

Tim Walz’s first official speech on the Democratic ticket displayed all the reasons that Kamala Harris has been lauded for picking the Minnesota governor as her running mate. Personally, I think one outshines all the rest.

Walz’s military background and his work as a high school teacher and football coach, along with his palpable joy and open expressions of compassion for people in need, offer America a vision of what manhood can look like — he’s a “joyful warrior” offering a vision in contrast with what’s being offered by Donald Trump’s bravado-driven campaign.

And he’s clearly willing to challenge Team Trump on that front. He displayed that even before he received the call to join Harris’ campaign, using public appearances to refer to Trump and his allies as “bullies” who are truly weak at heart and by mocking the GOP ticket for “running for He-Man Women Haters Club or something.”

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Why is manhood even an issue?

[–] hot_guava 26 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I'll probably regret this, but for shits and giggles, I'm going to try and give an earnest answer here.

Let's first assume that "manhood" is a thing. That there are people in the world who define themselves by gender roles, however those manifest. It might be biology, appearance, dress, behavior, profession or any number of other ways that someone chooses to manifest a gender role.

So if we accept that, there's a lot of ways of approaching what western society might call "manhood": machismo, aggression, breadwinning, vinyl collecting, having the best lawn in the suburbs, etc. This is where things get dicey, in my opinion. The right is full of angry men who feel slighted by a society that they feel increasingly has no place for them. In some ways they are right: men are less likely to have education past high school, less likely to have modern workforce skills and less likely to have their formerly tolerated bullshit accepted anymore. This has lead to the rise of what people often refer to as "toxic masculinity". People who lean into traits like misogyny or racism and follow leaders who make them feel tough, like they are in the driver's seat again.

I think the appeal of Walz is that he gives at least the appearance of another path. He's a man, no question. He hunts, he fishes, he works on his pickup truck, he coached football, and he taught social studies. But he's also championed reproductive rights, LGBT causes, and even took a fairly light hand during the BLM protests in 2020 (which can be easily twisted, unfortunately). He's the kind of pro-labor and pro-rural progressive that started to get marginalized in the 2000s, was on it's death bed when the Tea Party ascended and that MAGA seemed to finally bury.

So yes, manhood is an issue because that seems to be a major part of the ethos that is following the alt-right. But Walz is a man that a lot of men can see themselves in: men who work, love their families and who want government to support their lives, not some fantasy they wish existed. Government that does infrastructure, public safety, boring stuff that we used to not have to think about. And because he's done all those "manly" things he feels like the old fashioned man that a lot on the alt-right claim to want back, while showing them that old fashioned man is not what they think it is.

So there it is. I admire Walz. He's not perfect, but neither am I. I hope he doesn't disappoint me.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Well fucking said! Thank you!

[–] slickgoat 21 points 3 months ago

Because, maga manhood is racist, mysognist, hateful and toxic.

[–] Etterra 13 points 3 months ago

People tend to emulate people they like and who they'd like to like them too. So there's the hateful, angry, violent manhood that flock to Trump, valuing force, violence, and any-means-necessary victory. Then there's cool manhood that has a happy family and a respectable job and treats people with human decency and kindness.

It's the difference between the highschool football player who bullies everyone and date rapes the prom queen, and the chill football player everybody likes, had a normal girlfriend, and who sticks up for other kids.

Which would you rather be a role model for America?

[–] MutilationWave 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The generations of men that raised gen x and millennial boys were often all about being a manly man. The media we watched as children and young adults was all about it. This vision of manliness was all about physical strength, lack of emotion other than anger, and pride. Physical strength isn't a bad quality, and pride can be good, but what we were taught by men in person and media was dogshit. We were the generations that called things that were lame "gay".

So Walz, despite being a trained soldier and football coach, is not manly because he displays emotion, empathy, and humility.

This is why it's an issue.

[–] angrystego 6 points 3 months ago

I would add that he is not manly only according to those twisted standards. The point is he IS very obviously manly and can therefore reset the toxic standards in people and make them see manliness is compatible with compassion and emotions

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

If you’re a racist and sexist, giving an appearance of strength and dominance is your core identity.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Because women entered the workforce and can be both providers and caregivers, but in general men don't want to embrace an identity as caregiver so point the blame at women and/or the world.