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Biden calls for justice after footage released of police killing Black woman
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I am neither. I am telling you that there are no "few bad apples" to get out of the police because the whole thing is already rotten to the core and has been for a very long time since there's never been reformation, just a few laws to stop some of the most egregious behavior.
So maybe you're not familiar with churn then. Churn is the turn over rate for employees. I also think you misunderstand what reformation means, how long it takes, and that there's no tipping point of when something is reformed or not. It wasn't magically Roman Catholicism to Lutheranism after Luther penned the 95 Theses lol.
You already said that civil rights have gotten better.
You already agreed there are new laws and increased oversight regularly.
Employees turn over as there is natural churn. Combined with churn from increased oversight and scrutiny preventing bad people or stopping heinous shit. You also have lawsuits and criminal proceedings to get rid of bad police.
How do you propose 1 works without 2 and 3? How do you posit that police aren't better almost year by year if the entire bushel is spoiled?
No, I said the civil rights laws exist, making the most egregious behavior harder to get away with.
I'd tell you to ask George Floyd if things have gotten better. Or Breonna Taylor. Or Philando Castile. Or Sonya Massey. Except none of them can tell you anymore.
There are no "good apple" cops. None.
... Again, that doesn't make sense. Do the laws make their behavior better, yes or no?
Because once again you're saying they do, but somehow they're not as well. Schrodinger's ACAB.
Here, have some literature about past, current, and future reformations and best practices. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0002716219889328
Have some on churn: https://www.npr.org/2021/06/24/1009578809/cops-say-low-morale-and-department-scrutiny-are-driving-them-away-from-the-job
Police killings not being statistically higher or lower between 2013 and 2016: https://policebrutalitycenter.org/police-brutality/statistics/
Police shootings of black people and unarmed lowering in 2020: https://www.vox.com/2020/6/2/21276472/police-killing-statistics-african-american
Little hard data to show that policing hasn't improved since the civil rights era but I have a hard time believing differently: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/long-painful-history-police-brutality-in-the-us-180964098/
You're showing how they're all bad apples and you don't even realize it.
No, it just sounds like you're only useful to certain people lol.
I'm not useful to anyone. Why are you making this about me when it's about cops?
It was a joke about being a useful idiot lol.
Cool, there are still no good apple cops no matter what your insult "joke" was about.
So you don't even understand how the spoiling ethylene analogy works lol.
Either way, I hope you reflect today and stop making yourself useful to bad actors by sowing discord and division.
I wasn't interested in your analogy. You take the ludicrous position that there being fewer crimes by racist cops has some meaning that there are somehow good cops now, not the fact that laws were absolutely necessary to stop their behavior. And it still didn't stop it anywhere near as much as it should have. And if those laws were gone, it would go back to being as bad as it was.
I don't have to sow discord and division, we have an entire group of uniformed people in blue who do that just fine themselves when they do things like shoot an unarmed black woman in her home. You know, this event you seem hell-bent to use to tell us all about how there are good cops.
Oh I understand. It doesn't make you not wrong both literally and metaphorically in one of the worst ways possible which is frustratingly sad in how it's completely antithetical to your goal. But I understand.
You do know that just declaring someone to be wrong doesn't make them wrong, right? You are not the arbiter of reality.
True. Sauce, logic, and objective reality is. Which I provided.
You have provided anecdotal hogwash based on feels making reals just as brainwashed through doomscrolling media as some of the worst MAGA Republicans I've ever met.
People can understand you. They can even agree heavily. That doesn't make it true lol.
You didn't provide "objective reality." You said that civil rights laws mean cops aren't as racist anymore, which is hilarious, because if cops weren't racist, *we wouldn't have to keep using civil rights laws to hopefully punish them for killing black people.
This seems to be a lot more about you excusing cops for killing black people.
No, you're blind to what you're typing is all because you're just not reading the replies. You're arguing against a hypothetical person you've already made up in your mind with a gamut of very different things every time you reply but it's okay.
Nobody is arguing cops don't kill black people at unacceptable rates nearly 2x higher than other races.
Nobody is arguing there aren't racist cops, or bad cops.
You are arguing something completely different while not understanding the difference is a failure on your education system and multiple levels of failure at the local and government levels.
It'd be pitiable if it wasn't for reasons I've labored on ad nauseum about already.
Trust me when I say everyone understands your position. It's wrong. You trying to make up arguments other people aren't saying is doing nothing but wasting both our times lol.
I have been saying the same thing I have been saying this entire time: There are no good apple cops. I have not wavered from this position. You have yet to show me anything that suggests otherwise. The closest you've gotten is that they've done less racist things than they used to.