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Ignoring race, because you keep bringing it up to excuse shitty Police behavior.
Police closing the distance on someone they see as violent is an escalation of violence. She would very likely be alive today if they didn't choose to make the situation worse by escalating.
Pulling a gun and retreating, then shooting if she advanced, yep shooting is fine. Putting her in a corner and shooting when she flinches thinking she's about to die? That's murder. I don't know how you are too dumb to understand this.
Did you watch the tape?
I've re watched it dozens of times because I'm morbidly curious. That cop is a shit bag who was looking to kill someone.
Did you watch it without masturbating over authority figures?
Jfc... Some big presumptions there.
It seems obvious to me that if you threaten to throw boiling water over a cop, and they pull their gun and state they will fence themselves if you try....
Well, you put yourself entirely into her position.
It's either suicide by cop or she was truly dangerous enough to harm innocent people..... Yaknow... Because of the whole teaching for boiling water with anger on her face in an attempt to throw it on innocent people.
Gun and boiling water are not equal. Stop being dumb.
Did... Somebody claim they were?
I'd the best argument you have .. pretending somebody said something that you CAN argue against?
The question isn't is a gun equally capable of damage as boiling water.. the question was nice and simple.. did you grab pot of boiling water after threatening to do damage with it to innocent people?
Did you do it specifically after law enforcement pulled their weapons and told you that if you do what you claim they will shoot you.....For entirely obvious reasons....
Next you will tell me if it was a white man behaving in the exact same fashion then cop would have taken the water?
Lots of words to explain poor logic.
Next you will tell me if it was a white man behaving in the exact same fashion then cop would have taken the water
You don't even deny that. Interesting
I'm white as fuck and I've had an officer pull his gun on me for telling him I had to reach into my pocket for my wallet. You have an extremely fucked view of American police for someone who doesn't live here.
Heres my opinion you keep pretending you didn't notice. He should have left the house he had no legal reason to be inside of. Checking id is not something he was required to do. He did it to make himself feel big. Last time I had to call the sheriff for domestic violence at my neighbors house they didn't need my ID. That POS cop killed someone by escalating at every chance he had just to leave her alone.
Please stay in your country and keep your useless opinions about our fucked up police forces to yourself.
No legal reason? Someone called 911 asking the police to come over.. then they found the car... With smashed windows.. she denied it was hee car.. then says it is her car.
It makes complete sense to get her id at that point considering if she has harmed somebody else.. (which it very much looks like she was capable of doing based entirely on her behaviour).
Imagine how bad these cops would have been at their job if she harmed someone else int be days after...a Nd they didn't even ask for id to check her after being called out.
What? Property ownership doesn't have anything to do with identification. Police don't have free reign to force people to identity themselves because a person is unsure of who's car is on their property. Entering the home is a huge issue as well. I guess a cop can force their way into my home for the unregistered car in my backyard and shoot me too.
I don't need to imagine anything, that's slippery slope BS.
Make sure to lick the boot while it's on your throat.
She called 911, didnt she? & there's zero evidence of them forcing themselves in. No reason to doubt she didnt say it was ok to enter..
& her behaviour is visible unhinged outside her door.... for all the cops know, the person they are talkign to may be the reported prowler (with the actual caller locked inside) IT makes sense from me that they just quickly get id.
As I stated before. Police have no right to identify you just for calling them. Even when a crime is committed verbal confirmation of your identity is more than enough. Identification is not required in the vast majority of situations, including this one. Until you get to the paperwork, then it is correct to identify someone. You've watched too many cops episodes or you fundamentally don't understand American policing.
Forced entry was incorrect on my part. It's sort of the same situation as shooting that drunk guy in a hotel. Just because someone is unable to respond coherently doesn't make them the suspect.
You're entire argument is based on the "what ifs?". Which is extremely authoritarian.
Also, the police could not have known if she was the home owner... She could have been the reported prowler.
They had to check that.
And how do you excuse her behaviour?
If a police cam of this behaviour came out.. and they didn't ask for her id.... And she goes on to harm someone.. they would be held partially responsible.
Which is good. Hold police accountable for doing their jobs. Not for 'not doing their jobs.'
Do you know if she had any warrants or known issues with police/mental health?
Since we are playing hypotheticals. I too agree with executing the mentally unstable.
Oh. I don't.
Only if they reach for a pot of boiling water after threatening to use it to harm police... and after they lift their weapons and inform them they will fire if the person goes for that weapon. Only in those instances. And similar.
This is a strangely telling detail for you to have included. You cannot see Sonya Massey's face or movements in the moments leading up to the shots being fired -- Her entire body is obfuscated behind both the kitchen counter and Sean Grayson's body as he steps between Massey and his partner.
She looks angry to you because you're racist.
You cannot see what expression she has in that picture.
Did you not watch the video!?
Her behaviour. Her literal threats..
Her behavior!? She put her hands up and dropped to the floor pleading. The cop went from zero to a thousand in 3 seconds.
Fuck off with your dumb bullshit
All of the stuff she says .. and her reaching for the water in the footage.... The water goes flying because she had grabbed it again.
Did you not watch it?
What is all of the stuff she said? The Jesus thing that made the cop inappropriately dial to eleven and murder her? She's half thier size and can barely move.
If the water went flying, it's because he yelled he would fucking shoot her in the face and pointed his gun at her.
How stupid are you?
Considering she was on the ground, with her hands In front of her... How did the pot end up coming off the stove.. unless she reaches up to grab it when they shot.. yaknow, like you can see her doing in the footage.
So you claim the water went flying because he yelled... She wasn't touching it when he yelled.
Are you claiming it's rational to reach for and grab the pot of boiling water in that situation...because he yelled?
You're claiming justification of murder - how do you expect people to take you seriously?
I don't understand why you are being so rude.
If you watch the footage, it makes complete sense.
And most importantly, there is zero evidence that her race has anything to do with it at all.
Your lax attitude towards murder is not helping your case about whether race matters. You don't seem to value life.
I think it's a consequence of America being so gun happy.
You guys need to get rid of em. Big time.
I value human life greatly, I just know not to threaten American cops.. because.. I value human life.
Wow. Reporting. No need for that. If i make more sense than you there's no need to lash out your upset at me.
Reporting what? That I'm not a racist asshole defending a cop committing murder on camera?
Jesus christ. Your behaviour is vile.
First you want to be racist by attempting to force race into it, and then this.. actually. That makes sense.
I've looked very carefully at the screenshot you linked. Due to the resolution and compression of the video file, the dim lightning, and the very fast motion at the time of the screenshot, Sonya Massey's eyebrows, eyes, and mouth are in no way discernible. How can you arrive at the conclusion that she looks angry?
Dudes got CSI Enhance technology.
As I said straight away, You have to watch it in motion. Slo mo ideally.
A large part of that deduction is based on her behaviour, threatening to throw boiling water on innocent people at work, he verbal threat to cause harm to those people, and then her reaching quickly for the boiling water with her head tilted down like that.. combined with what we can make out of her expression in the footage in motion.
And as I said, I've also watched the video. The point of all of my comments is that your original statement:
was not based in anything that could be observed in the video, but rather on your "deduction." There are people who will never watch the video because they would find it upsetting, and I wouldn't want people like that to read your comment and think there was any ounce of truth to your claim. One simply cannot see any of what you're claiming in the footage that is available, and I personally believe that your ardent defense of these claims says a lot more about you than it does about the available facts.
You claimed it was obscured.
I immediately want and made as screenshot to show it wasnt.
I think it's obvious who wants to move on agenda here...
Lmao, what a bunch of bullshit. "With anger in her face"
There's like a half second of video that's not covered by the guy's arm (after she squatted, I mean) but the guy here, who's not a racist btw, saw an angry woman trying to kill some cops with some hot water. Literally all you have to do is stay more than 2-3 meters away and nothing will happen to you, but whatever, I guess she got what she deserved.
Also, she said it very dryly, hardly angry or threateningly. And even if she were, in what world is a cop replying with "you'd better not, I'll fucking shoot you in your fucking face" a normal, disarming response?
Didn't you just claim it was obscured?
And immediately, here is a picture of it not being obscured.