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[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Assuming the finance a pizza bit is true, it's a sign that the American economy is on the brink of a deflationary spiral. Debt is being created, but at some point, it will not be paid back in sufficient amounts, and then the capital to create more debt will dry up, resulting in the amount of money in the economy drying up as well. Businesses will be forced to lower prices and scale back operations, which will result in rising unemployment. Which in turn will result in even less money in the economy, perpetuating the circle.

[–] Sorgan71 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Thats the nature of an economy where most currency circulating is actually just debt.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's not unlike the economies of ancient Mesopotamia. A farmer who wanted beer would write a promissory note for a few bushels of barley in some clay and give it to the brewer. The brewer could then either wait to collect it at harvest, or trade that note with someone else for something they needed. This would be passed around until it ended up in the hands of people with real wealth, and if the farmer couldn't pay the wealthy person would take whatever they wanted.

It's thought that this is why in many near Eastern societies women are expected to dress plainly, as they wouldn't be chosen when the rich asshole showed up to collect on his debt. One way some societies solved this problem without violence or slavery was to eliminate all debts every several years.

This is from David Graeber's "Debt: The First 5,000 Years" and I highly recommend it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

In the bible, the regular elimination of all debt was called the “Jubilee”

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod 3 points 5 months ago

Which is just another way all the conservative Christians decrying the elimination of student loans are hypocrites who've never actually read their book

[–] EvolvedTurtle 17 points 5 months ago

It's not even like they are struggling financially These big companies just want more to the point of sinking there business because they got a fraction less profit that year

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'd be very curious to see how many people actually use this option and for what price. I could see a family living paycheck to paycheck using this for a child's birthday party. (Don't misinterpret that statement as giddiness.)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Your statement sounds like giddiness! Oh wait never mind. Carry on

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Let's finance a pizza! Yippee!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

You sick bastard!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (4 children)

at this point an economic crash seems like the only possible future, but I'm not sure if it would be good for your average person or if the top 1% would take advantage of it to get even richer

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Most of the world is already in an economic recession in the sense that median purchasing power of is dropping fast.
However economist are great at fudging the numbers to show "gdp growth". It true, absolute gdp is rising but it doesn't mean anything if it's evenly distributed.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

yup, just waiting to go past the tipping point where we'll be so poor nobody's going to buy products anymore causing a vicious circle

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

I think if you reflect a little, you know the answer really. Take a look at what happened during the pandemic

Although the 1% is really the 0.1%. So it's much, much worse.

[–] Got_Bent 5 points 5 months ago

It's about assets. In an economic crash, the 1% buys up the assets for pennies on the dollar, generally receiving an enormous government bailout in the process.

Housing/real estate is the most obvious example of this over the past fifteen years or so.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Alright I am done for it, gotta quickly think of something to hoard so that I can make some profit afterwards

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If only money machine could go brrrr...

[–] kamen 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

As if it isn't already doing so

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod 4 points 5 months ago

Debt is being created, but at some point, it will not be paid back in sufficient amounts

JP Morgan Chase and Bank of America have already had to write off $4.5 billion in debt that won't be repaid.