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Why is the pundit class so desperate to push Biden out of the race? | Rebecca Solnit
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 12 Jul 2024
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After everyone seeing that speech he just gave it's no longer just pundits
"Biden's debate was due to a cold."
"Okay he needs more sleep, it was jet lag. It'll go away in a few days."
"So several democratic members of congress, nationwide democrats, and public agreement say Biden is unfit, but just wait until the news conference, they'll see. Biden himself wants to stay in, so we should believe him."
President Putin and Vice President Trump.
"...So all the media is bought out and on the side of Trump, don't believe anything you see by credited publications. It's fake news, boycott them. Boycott anyone who disagrees with us."
After that speech BlueMAGA has fully transitioned into BlueANON
Propaganda at its finest.
Seems pretty dumb to me really. Wtf does blue maga even mean, it's a contraddiction. It's not refined, it's just a standard trope, the same old "but both sides"
You don't know what propaganda is, or you're using it wrong to be deliberately disingenuous.
Reasonable people are very rightly worried that biden will lose to trump. Period. Reasonable people are mostly concerned with making sure trump loses. Period.
Biden is the worst choice if we want to defeat trump. If he drops out there will be a wave of enthusiasm.
People like you who are so hell bent on keeping biden, I speculate are actual trump supporters sowing discord as an attempt to stop the discussion. Maybe you are the "propagandist".
Biden dropping out is our best chance to defeat trump. Period. Even trump and republicans want him to stay in because they know that's how they stand the best chance.
You’re lumping reasonable people in with the propagandists. Some are not all. I’m not making a blanket statement here. Therefore I’m not talking about reasonable people.
I’m taking about the ones that openly admit they’re here to disrupt the election.
Spoken like someone high on propaganda. Polling is all over the place. Unreliable. There is no one to run who will run who stands much chance against trump. Because people aren't voting for Trump because he's better. They're voting for him because he's the Republican nominee. Republicans are also experts at smearing. They and their donors control all the media. No matter who Democrats pick they will run a 24/7 campaign smearing and mudding Waters around that candidate. Even if Democrats were to pick Bernie sanders. Republicans would smear him easily.
Realistically we're well beyond the point of playing these games. Both in this cycle and in general. If people can't be bothered. They will learn just how bad fascism can be for them. And how important their votes are when they can't vote anymore.
Polling doesn't matter at this point. I am a vehement "anyone but trump" voter and I have serious doubts that Biden can be president today. Doubts I never had before the debate. My eyes and my ears work perfectly fine and pretending Biden isn't running on fumee is the actually disingenuous position.
Let me preface all this by stating that no one should hold elected office after 65. They are still welcome to advise Etc. Politics should be people looking forward to the rest of their life Not Looking Back.
With that said. Why are you suddenly concerned about Biden? An Administration is more than a single man. And I think it's safe to say that despite what a low bar it is. The Biden Administration has been one of the most positively consequential Administration in the last 40 years. Sean Hannity has spent nearly the last 6 months screeching about jacked up Joe because of how on his performance was at the State of the Union Address. Not going to lie Biden's performing slightly has left a lot to be desired period I still have faith in the administration period And if things are Really that bad The person they're wanting to run instead of him is already his VP and would just step in if the need arrose. So I really don't see what a lot of the panic is about. At least not in terms of vitamins specifically. In terms of the rot of the democratic republic? Absolutely. But not the Biden Administration specifically. A lot of the fear and concern is 100% astro turf.
We need better than all the choices we currently have. That said I have no concerns or fears that a second biden administration would do any worse than they already have.
It never was, that was always a lie. My mom's normie friends thought he should step down right from the debate. Polls have 40-60% of Democrats saying he should step down. We all saw it.
Imagine thinking that giving a bad speech is somehow comparable to being a rapist/felon that has promise to help Israel finish the job- even while you yell at everyone about how Biden is committing “a genocide.”
This is what propaganda looks like folks. It’s not stupid cartoonish posters. It’s not tinny radio ads urging you to join someone’s army-
It’s people like this…
People that want you to believe that a bad speech performed by someone that has a history of being bad at speeches- yet ran the country for four years with a lot of major changes for the better- is somehow worse than a rapist that tried to overthrow our capital because he lost. A rapist that is also a convicted felon- 34 times over.
THIS is propaganda by definition. It’s no myth. It’s no exaggeration. It’s this.
And it’s pathetic.
I have to ask: are you just ignorant of the position of the anti -Biden crowd, or are you intentionally misconstruing it as them preferring Trump over Biden?
They are like the liberal version of MTG
I don’t answer questions from people who can’t answer my own. That’s not how this is going to work. You give nothing, you get nothing.
Show your work.
You didn't ask a question.
Apologies, I wasn’t paying attention and was in a discussion with a troll. Thought this was their response.
To answer your question, I know there are some that genuinely don’t think he would do well for America at this point. And to them, I would somewhat agree. I’ve seen some well constructed arguments from the far left that in some ways, I completely agree.
However. These people I call out….
They are not those people. There demonstrably here in bad faith to disrupt our election, and the person I was discussing this with admitted they are here to urge people to not vote.
This is NOT how change is achieved. Especially in the eleventh hour. So many people wait until the last minute to decide to give a shit. And I guarantee you that most of these clowns didn’t give a rats-ass about nothing going on until a last October.
I don't think the comment you replied to justifies the level of scrutiny you're putting it under.
Polling post-debate more or less justifies what it says.
The person I responded to admitted to being here to disrupt an election. Their points are off the table.
The BlueANON is running thick today
Says the bot that admitted he’s here to disrupt the election, how’s that going for ya?
The BlueANON is running thick today
Oh, we’re doing this? Okay!
… Says the bot that admitted he’s here to disrupt the election, how’s that going for ya?