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[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices 130 points 4 months ago (4 children)

for those who haven't read the woman's FB post, here is a clip:

"..were attacked on Saturday night by a group of 7-10+ middle eastern men, believed to be from Syria, aged 18-25"

Canada has a lot of issues at this moment, stemming in part from increased immigration in the last 3 years (causing housing issues, etc). This sort of event, "brown people beating up white women" could be a dangerous racial catalyst.

I hope this gets dealt with as a single incident, but given current affairs, I am not optimistic.

[–] madcaesar 82 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Immigration is such a fucked up issue almost everywhere. You've got the right blaming everything on brown people and the left claiming all immigrants are just peace loving pacifists looking for a better life.

As with most issues the truth is in the middle and any immigration policy should absolutely demand that any immigrant coming into a country assimilate and fully support our values of equality for all.

You cannot tell me you support equality for all when your religion makes your wife walk 5 steps behind you in a beekeeper suit at 30c weather while you get to strut around in shorts and flip-flops.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 4 months ago (1 children)

As with most issues the truth is in the middle and any immigration policy should absolutely demand that any immigrant coming into a country assimilate and fully support our values of equality for all.

First generation migrants tend to be, in most receiving countries, less likely to commit crime than native-born population.

http://www.antoniocasella.eu/nume/Bersani_2012.pdf

They found that immigrant men and women were less criminally active than native-born men and women in regard to self-reported crime, being stopped by the police, being charged with a crime, and having contact with a criminal justice agency. This pattern of lower levels of criminal activity among immigrants compared to the native-born held in models controlling for key background characteristics including a variety of educational, employment, and family history measures.

The problem comes with latter generations, if the receiving country isn't doing an adequate job at integrating them. If the parents work really long hours, aren't capable of spending much time with their kids, have trouble to pay kindergarten and have trouble teaching their kids the local language, if the kids are victimized by racist bullying at school, have less means to do well academically and land a good job, and are generally otherized by society, they're at a larger risk getting alienated and engaging in antisocial behavior and even crime.

So, if you don't want migration to be a problem, invest in public schooling (including kindergarten), offer classes teaching the local language to adults, empower unions, protect labor, and fight racism.

[–] TheEighthDoctor -1 points 4 months ago

While the study has some value you cannot compare immigration from South America in US to immigration in Europe from North Africa and Middle East. People are people, but values, culture and religions are very different.

[–] 2ncs 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

As with most issues the truth is in the middle and any immigration policy should absolutely demand that any immigrant coming into a country assimilate and fully support our values of equality for all.

America is hardly a country of "equality for all" sadly

Edit: This was literally 4 posts down

[–] SupraMario 27 points 4 months ago (3 children)

This happened in Canada, what does the usa have to do with this? This same thing is playing out over in the EU as well, and everyone here is wondering how the right is gaining political growth...this is why. People inherently do not want groups that come over and violently force their beliefs on the population.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

People inherently do not want groups that come over and violently force their beliefs on the population.

Agreed.

To me, though, there's a bigger problem with people already here who are violently forcing their beliefs o to others.

[–] afraid_of_zombies 1 points 4 months ago

US has to do with everything, since facts don't matter, only outrage

[–] afraid_of_zombies 2 points 4 months ago

Being far from perfect doesn't mean you have no values.

[–] tamal3 1 points 4 months ago

I agree, and it goes both ways. I was taking to a Mexican immigrant yesterday who hasn't been home to see his mother in more than 20 years as he doesn't have the ability to cross the border, and she has continuously been denied visas without explanation.

There's a lot of shit the US puts immigrants through as they walk on the edge of being allowed to exist here. My opinion is that we should both open our borders, and document the people who come through.

[–] exanime 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

As with most issues the truth is in the middle and any immigration policy should absolutely demand that any immigrant coming into a country assimilate and fully support our values of equality for all.

Plenty of born Canadians do not support these principles at all

[–] FlyingSquid 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Why are they believed to be from Syria?

[–] Snowclone 11 points 4 months ago

Police said one man stayed and made a statement, in the US at least this means identifying yourself, so they have a likely reliable way to identify the men involved

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

I hope this gets dealt with as a single incident, but given current affairs, I am not optimistic.

Genuine question. Is it a single incident though?

There have been a lot of reports of issues with people coming to western countries and not holding the same standards of respect for women.

I think it should be dealt with as a single issue iff it is a single issue. If it isn't a single issue why should it be treated as such?

[–] DMBFFF 0 points 4 months ago

I don't think a lot of Syrians were allowed into Canada as much as Germany and Sweden (at least proportionately in the latter case).