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[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

No, it'll just be yet another pile of bloat that'll separate IBM distros and their followers (rhel, fedora, centos, debian, arch) from the rest (alpine, void, gentoo, devuan, *BSD).

[–] [email protected] 44 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Wait Arch and Debian are owned by IBM? It sounds like one insane piece of conspiracy tbh.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Nah, I'm just referring to IBM's acquisition of redhat. I've been referring to redhat as IBM in kind.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

And neither Arch, nor Ubuntu, nor Debian, nor OpenSUSE, nor any other distro using systemd belongs to IBM.

systemd has nothing to do with any corporation doing bad stuff to "our Linux".

It is just newer software, doing more things more easily.

Sure, the centralization is pretty damn bad. But for example replacing sudo is needed.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

But for example replacing sudo is needed.

There's plenty of 100-loc tools for that already. And doas, who has most of sudo's server-features, is not much bigger.

And they all work even without systemd or services.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

But for example replacing sudo is needed.

Seriously asking: what's wrong with Sudo? And aren't there already loads of alternatives?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

I suppose doas is a pretty great alternative.

Smaller code is often good, but not always.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

And neither Arch, nor Ubuntu, nor Debian, nor OpenSUSE, nor any other distro using systemd belongs to IBM.

Where did I say they belong to IBM?

Sure, the centralization is pretty damn bad. But for example replacing sudo is needed.

We already have doas, which is such a simple codebase I'd have a hard time imagining it contains a bug that leads to setuid being a problem. run0's codebase size on the other hand...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Eeeh, if anything, systemd is Microsoft's contribution.

/s sort of

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

How is RH related to Arch lol? By having GNU core utils?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Arch ships redhat userland (systemd) and doesn't support alternative userlands; you have to go to artix for that.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

For clarity, ~~because the obnoxious ones out there didn't get it,~~ this refers to how Arch, Debian, Fedora and most other distros just default to systemd and hence can (and probably will) make use of run0. While, on the other hand, distros like Alpine, Artix, Devuan, Void and others (including *BSD-systems) will not. For distros with no defaults (e.g. Gentoo), the user gets to decide.