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I hope you're vegan
Only vegetarian at the moment but maybe someday.
Better than nothing! Feel free to reach out if you have any questions about it
why?
Because it's better for the environment and can be done healthily, unlike flirting with heart stroke for no reason lol
being vegan has no effect on the environment
Lol sure thing buddy, whatever you got to tell yourself
this is an appeal to ridicule, not a rebuttal.
Lol You didn't provide a rebuttal to my claim either
as it turns out, i provided exactly as much evidence as you did, but you have, once again, included an appeal to ridicule.
My point is proven science, you didn't ask for a source you just claimed the opposite, so you're on the same footing as me.
Except for my point is obvious, between the methane and animal waste run off, the water required for animal agriculture, the waste products unused from meat production, and the fact that you have to grow even more plants to feed the animals instead of eating the plants directly, I don't see why on earth you wouldn't see how being vegan has a smaller footprint.
Read a scientific study in-between your theory, sometime.
no it's not.
evidence your claims some time
i reject the narrative of footprints. the issue is resource use and pollution, and those don't happen in grocery stores or restaurants: it happens during production. being vegan doesn't stop production, so being vegan doesn't help the environment.
Being vegan requires less production. And animal waste, runoff, and methane are all major sources of pollution that being vegan eliminates. It takes less water, land, and plants for a vegan diet than it does to feed animals for agriculture.
if the industry doesn't decrease production, being vegan has done no good.
If the country doesn't become communist, calling yourself communist has done no good.
i have made no claim like that. by contrast, you have claimed that being vegan is better for the environment. since the industries you claim to be targeting with your veganism continue to grow, being a vegan is not actually better for the environment.
by what metric can you claim that veganism has made the environment better? pollution and resource use has only increased since the 1940s when veganism was invented.
Lmfao that's your argument?? It's in "not even wrong" territory, literally what on earth are you talking about lol
Coal pollution is also higher now than when renewable energy was first invented, therefore renewables wouldn't help us! /s
this is an appeal to ridicule. it is not a rebuttal
I said more than that, your "rebuttal" isn't a rebuttal either, it's word vomit and an appeal to futility.
If you're trolling, then 10/10
it is not appeal to futility, it's an appeal for an effective solution.
I don't know if that's true, but if it is, then you've almost reached the right conclusion. I wouldn't say "wouldn't", I would say "haven't".
Lol you're fucking hilarious, I thought the self-professed communist would appreciate advocating for a better system but it turns out you're just a goofball
I want a better system, but I don't believe buying beans helps me get there
Thankfully, facts are true whether you believe them or not.
it hasn't decreased the industrys impact yet
Lol
this is an appeal to ridicule. it is not a rebuttal.
You have made no points to refute, and ridicule is how you handle low effort trolls.
calling me a troll (and saying that i haven't made any strong claims), doesn't change the truth of anything i've said nor bolster your own claims.
You've said nothing except for flat denial and asserting illogical nonsense lol
Go back to talking about cryptocurrency and communism, because that has definitely resulted in material improvements for people.
if that were the case, you could show the flaw in my logic. tagging on your appeal to ridicule and poisoning the well indicates an inability or unwillingness to engage in good faith.
this, too, does not change the truth of what i've said, nor bolstered your own claims
That's true, because what you said holds no truth at all. I pointed out the flaws in your point and your "argument" was that since no one is vegan, veganism isn't better for the environment. Which is so monumentally stupid I'm convinced you're trolling.
"The vast majority of people are not communist, therefore communism wouldn't be better for workers."
"The world isn't powered by renewables, therefore renewables aren't better than coal."
"Things aren't currently better, so no change would make it better."
You're arguing from a position of complete nonsense, and it's not an "appeal to ridicule" to call out bad logic and sealioning tactics. Link literally any source that backs your conservative, status-quo reinforcing position, or go read something other then century old rich men philosophizing about societies they daydreamed up.
what i said is true or it is not.
i don't need a source. you have claimed that being vegan is better. it's up to you to show that is the case.
your accusation of sealioning is bad faith
that's not what i said.
none of these accurately characterize my position
Because you don't have a position, hence why you just whine about being victimized like the bad-faith conservative you are instead of re-iterating or clarifying anything. Go ahead and claim I've committed another formal fallacy on an informal discussion site instead of using your words like an adult, you commies are all so predictable smh. Materialism really does lend itself to anti-intellectuals who think they're so smart, doesn't it?
i do, and i've said it plainly, repeatedly: being vegan doesn't help. each year the animal agriculture industry grows, despite the existence of vegans.
i'm pretty sure all the fallacies i've called out are informal.
this just ad hominem. it doesn't change the truth of what i've said at all.
baby, i'm an anarchist. it's bad faith to tell people what their politics are instead of believing them.
am i a commie or a conservative? this is incoherent.
very astute.
Guys just mad that individuals make choices to better the world around them. He wants to keep consuming and feel good about it.
i thought he was mad other people weren't making the same decisions he is.