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I mean, I am a queer person, but ok.

If you are gonna decide to guilt trip me by saying someone might potentially kill themselves if I refer to them as... them or he or she instead of bun or jae, then I'd say you're being emotional abusive.

Also, judging by the votes I've gotten so far, it seems you're gaslighting me when you say no one wants to listen.

Its not that neo-pronouns seem silly.

Its that they convey no useful meaning to anyone who does not already know that person, personally.

Sometimes you have to write things down in a manner that conveys useful information to say, apply a person for a government grant or aid of some kind. Sometimes these things are gender or sex specific.

Sometimes people who don't know a person need to read things about them and make decisions that could prevent them from starving to death, being murdered from a domestic abuser or living on the streets.

Writing bun repeatedly in correspondence or on a government form isn't going to work.

You cannot have a potentially infinite list of pronouns that you somehow expect everyone to just learn, and make this work in any kind of wide system where people don't know that they even are pronouns.

Pronouns are kind of a fundamental, fixed element of English.

Its different with a noun or adjective as there are many of those, and it is far, far easier to learn new ones and use them correctly.

Like, I'm an anarchist, but not to the point of total linguistic anarchy.

He/She/They is fine, and won't confuse the hell out of everyone. We have pronouns in English that are not gender deterministic, nor dehumanizing, and they are They and Them and Their and Themself.

Hell, when I was managing the databases for the non profit I worked at, I went through a ton of work to add in the ability for clients to be able to indicate their preferred pronouns and have it be reflected system wide.

No one, out of thousands, used it. Not one, and that includes tons of people who identified as trans, gay, lesbian, bi, pan, asexual.

After 6 months we reverted to he/she/they because, in addition to no one using it, having 4 open string fields instead of a key value indexed to a lookup table was slowing down the server and potentially a security risk if someone decided their pronouns include ;"DROP TABLE *" or something like that.

If neo-pronouns are ever going to make sense, they are going to need to have agreed upon and fixed definitions.

If you want to say that ok, from now on, She and He are for straight cis people, and i don't know, Je and Ke now refer to lesbian women and gay men, and you go on like that, as long as these terms actually have fixed agreed upon meanings, so on, they aren't easily confused with existing words, then maybe something like that could work.

You would need a defined system capable of being taught to PreK through 5 students such that they could learn it.

I don't see anything like that. I see a tiny minority of terminally online people making up new pronouns, unable to define them, and often changing them at a whim.

On a personal, colloquial, relatively close relationship level, neo pronouns can work the same way and inside joke or lingo amongst a tight knit group of people can.

Not on the scale of millions or billions, not without meaningful, at least initially fixed definitions.

EDIT: I just now realized you are the passive aggressive anti-realist solipsist, "I believe in magic but I can't define it" person who argued that atheists are jerks by telling them what they define magic as.

Nothing quite seems to irk my autism like people who break language, congrats I guess on riling me up again.

That's a lot of text trying to justify not just calling people what they tell you they want to be called.

You evidently cannot read, as I explicitly said, in the first line, that I have no problem calling someone latinx if they tell me that is what they want to be called.

Anyway, I am not actually promulgating the arguments you are critiquing.

I am saying that the term latinx is contentious, amongst hispanic LGBTQ people, amongst academics, as well as amongst the reactionaries you seem to want to label me as.

As the term is contentious, and I am not a hispanic LGBTQ person, I am not going to tell people they cannot label themselves as latinx, nor am I going to insist use of that term instead of others.

I am bewildered as to how you have decided that I am a crying little baby bitch who is throwing a childish temper tantrum.

I am not a hispanic LGBTQ person, my only relevant experience or credential or whatever is interacting in my relatively basic level of Spanish with many people, most for the purpose of attempting to help them get housing or some other kind of assistance.

I used to design the online and offline forms used for intake and other various functions, and I am basing what I've said on my experience and the many experiences of the employees using said forms, as well as myself when I did outreach.

My personal opinion is twofold:

1. Latinx basically either doesn't work as a word or is confusing following Spanish's own rules.

2. I have interacted with (directly and by proxy via constantly receiving feedback from the intake crew and other employees at the nonprofit) hundreds of Spanish only speakers, and they are generally confused by the word latinx, likely due to part 1.

Again, since I apparently have to make this clear, if someone tells me they identify as latinx, I have no problem with this.

Oof, this comment has a lot of correct content individually, but as a response, undoes all your previous points.

if someone wants me to specifically refer to them a latinx, ill comply. I dont see it getting any traction outside of this niche as an acceptable genderneutral form of declination. Latine fits better, since a lot more spanisch paradigms end on -e, from a linguistical standpoint. -x, i.e. /ks/ or /eks/ is very unusual according to Spanisch Phonology. And the vast majority of speakers will use the phonetically easier version, if they wish to change their speech patterns at all.