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[–] FlyingSquid 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I said he wouldn't win in 2016. I was wrong.

[–] 3volver 1 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Okay so I'll say he will win in 2024 so then I'll be wrong as well. It would be crazy if he won as a convicted felon, after being impeached twice, after losing in 2020 by a landslide.

[–] FlyingSquid 12 points 4 months ago (3 children)

He did not lose in 2020 by a landslide. That's just not true.

Biden won the election with 306 electoral votes and 51.3% of the national popular vote, compared to Trump's 232 electoral votes and 46.9% of the popular vote.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_elections

So suggesting he has no chance of winning when he came that close four years ago and he's likely not lost a huge number of fans is a little premature.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 8 points 4 months ago

Numbers are even worse when you consider swing states. AZ, GA, and PA swung Biden's away by a net 40,000 votes. Razor thin margins, for any Dem candidate.

People fixate on the popular vote, but California going Blue by an extra million votes doesn't change anything

[–] kelargo 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It was only like 43000 votes across several swing states. Not by much at all.

[–] btaf45 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Convicted Felon and Sex Offender Treason Trump did however lose the popular vote in a landslide and the electoral vote in a landslide.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 3 points 4 months ago

The EC swings hard because it's winner take all. A few thousand votes can account for dozens of ECs in deference.

[–] 3volver 5 points 4 months ago

I guess "landslide" is pretty subjective. The difference was 74 electoral votes, 7,059,526 voters. He only won

Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes in 2016, Clinton won the popular vote by 2,868,686 votes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election_in_Michigan

I don't like this system so I'm done speculating.

[–] RunningInRVA 10 points 4 months ago

I agree with the Squid. We should all be worried. He came ridiculously close last time. Remember the electoral college is not helping. It was basically thousands of votes in 2020 that saved us.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

Trump got the 2nd most votes of any presidential candidate in history in 2020. It wasn't a landslide.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Trump is currently favored in polls and in betting markets. Few people care about the convictions. People who would vote for him definitely don't care about impeachments. The far-right has a very effective and expansive propaganda machine (old media, alternative media, and social media) that can counter any negative ("fake") news. Biden is a very weak candidate because of his physical and mental health, and the Democrats are ineffective at "controlling the narrative" compared to the Republicans. I think it'll probably be a close election, and if I was forced to bet, I'd bet on Trump winning.