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There is absolutely no green way to extract all the material needed to build a datacenter.
There is plenty of green ways to raise cattle, however with these ways you can't feed everyone beef at almost every meals.
Just when I'm ready to give up on this hivemind, you go and make a sane comment.
Thanks, I'm glad to see I'm not only one.
There's a billion obese people in the world and tons of food get wasted every second. Same for hardware, there's disposable ecigs and they put leds on packages now. Unlimited greed and excess can hardly be green in every case scenario.
So you're agreeing with him, right?
I'm just pointing out that the level of exploitation you apply into something play the biggest role in making it green or not.
Yeah but that's what the guy you replied to was also saying, so you're agreeing with him right? (Genuinely asking because I'm not sure i understand you, no ill will, i hope you understand)
What was the green way to raise cattle (asking as a cheeseburger lover). I don't see any real way to do so. Seaweed in their feed is a good way to reduce methane production I've read but I've never raised cattle, just a few hens in the backyard for eggs. They roam around eat the bugs, weeds, grass, etc but are all around an easy pet(?) to have.
5 hens, no roosters, roughly 2 dozen eggs a week. Obviously supplement with feed but care is easy. Hose down the coop on the outside, and replace pine chips which last a decent bit, but they compost/biodegrade and with chicken shit on them I think using them for mulch in the garden should be good for the garden as well..... The chickens may eat your garden though haha
Isn't this just energy dependent lol? Renewable energy and safe mining practices is all it takes. Let alone space mining, dyson spheres, cold fusion, even regular nuclear.
Energy is only a fraction of the issue and easily solvable, I'm not a 100% certain but I think that some mines are even powered with renewables energy.
The main issue is tailings, millions of cubic meters of toxic, sometime radioactive, full of heavy metals mud. The tailings are piled up behind dams that regularly breaks and contaminate entire regions.
Even of the dams don't break it is still hundred of square kilometers of land that is contaminated for millennia.
That is a massively easy problem to get around. I'm really not sure how you think there aren't safe ways to mine lol. Flouting shitty industrial practices in the name of getting people a $100 phone is the problem by shipping them to people viewed as cattle in less developed areas is the problem. One that's not even hard to fix.
Actually there are ways to do that. Recycling of materials used in various technologies (including lithium batteries and solar panels) is always improving. Chip companies like Intel are increasingly pushing for conflict free minerals. Just because something isn't being done in a sustainable way doesn't mean it can't be done sustainably, just like with farming.
What is the difficult part for datacenters, that isn't true of every other building? I was under the impression that the most inefficient part of most electronics is the batteries, which is a problem looking to go away with new chemistries.