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[–] helpImTrappedOnline 126 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

This isn't new at all. Apple has been consistent with long term updates for a while.

iPhones have been getting at least 5 major annual updates sense the iPhone 4. The average is 6 updates.

If anything, it gets to a point where the old hardware can barley handle the newer OS.

This is the equivalent of them promising to be called Apple in 5 years - it changes absolutly nothing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_version_history

Edit: thinking about it, this gives them an excuse to reduce the number of years they support phones. Instead of 6-7, can we now expect that to become only 5 years?

This could be a huge loss disguised as a win

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago

If they wanted to limit support to 5 years, they could've done so already. Apple never guarantees any support length, so they're just committing to the minimum this new UK regulation requires. This is probably nothing more than a formality.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (18 children)

Didn't Apple push updates to older devices that made them slower so that you'd buy their newest?

[–] [email protected] 50 points 5 months ago (15 children)

Depends how cynical you want to be and whether or not you trust Apple.

They claimed to slow things down so the aging batteries could run for close to as long as they could when they were new

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[–] balder1991 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

This myth keeps propagating online and it seems people never try to even Google what the issue was.

[–] helpImTrappedOnline 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I think the main issue (amongst the tech community) was that they did this with out making it known to users (patch notes don't count - especially with autoupdates, who reads them?) the device just started getting slower.

If there was an option that was presented to users once the device got below 80% battery health to slow down the system to make daily batter life longer, then that would be an actually welcome feature. The problem was Apple just went a did it, and to a normal non-technical user, that means their phone is dying and they need to upgrade.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Why in the world do patch notes “not count”? The whole point of those is to communicate changes to the users.

[–] helpImTrappedOnline 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Because in the world of auto updates, patch notes aren't presented to users, and the average user isn't seeking them out to read them. They essentially just wake up to a new OS.

A what's new pop up or something would be more effective.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

A what’s new pop-up that would immediately be closed by 99.99% of users because the patch notes literally take twenty minutes to read (I read them all). It’s not useful to waste time adding a dialog that the vast vast majority of users aren’t going to use and that users that want to see it can literally just click the update notes in the settings dialog.

[–] helpImTrappedOnline 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Pop up

"Hi, you're battery is getting old. Would you like to enable a mode that slows down your phone to preserve battery life, Yes or No."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

That’s not a single pop up though. Go look at patch notes for any iOS release. There will be upwards of a hundred items. You want a pop up for each and every one of those? And then that has to get programmed for, bug tested, and that’s just going to increase costs. Or people could just read the release notes and none of that has to happen.

[–] QuaternionsRock 4 points 5 months ago

If there was an option that was presented to users once the device got below 80% battery health to slow down the system to make daily batter life longer

This isn’t why they did it. Degraded Li-ion batteries cannot sustain their rated voltage at high currents due to increased internal resistance. Sufficiently undervolted CPUs/memory cells produce errors (specifically bit flips), which can rather quickly lead to memory corruption and a crash.

Reducing the CPU frequency (thereby reducing the peak current draw) is practically necessary in the face of a degraded battery. Various laptops were infamous for not doing this, because it resulted in a ~20-30 minute battery life, as the voltage drop became too great once the battery charge drops below 80-90%. Within the context of a smartphone, neglecting to use the remaining 80-90% would make it basically useless.

What Apple (and the rest of the smartphone industry, at this point) really needs to do is make their batteries replaceable.

[–] AA5B 1 points 5 months ago

I suppose it may be the Mandela effect, but I thought they did announce it, just not everyone read it.

Just like the idiots at work who ignored a newsletter, two email blasts and announcement on a support text that there would be an upgrade. Then marched blindly ahead for the three week transition, ignored the support threads about upgrading, and it was suddenly our fault when the old systems “disappeared without warning”

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Or broke their screens

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Never forget the iOS 4 update for the iPhone 3G and iPod Touch 2G.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Public commitment to what? That's two years less than Google's latest Pixel.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Those updates are easy when you have to release an system update to update the safari browser. Hell, you could call it a major security fix and fix some security issue on an old phone and every fanboy would be like "OMG iPhone 3s got an update.🤤" whereas Google can just ship browser fixes over the app store.

And version history means jack all when you can just name releases as you please. Google has been doing the same thing last 5-10 years. Emoji mixers, magic cleaner, launcher with google search bar at the bottom, turning a toggle into a big button on nav bar, enabling aren't major updates. Sure there are underlying changes, but they're mostly security patches and bugfixes. Android is still a bloated mess that needs ungodly amount of RAM and processing to keep even few apps running reliably in the background.

And guess where did Google learn this deceptive "long term update support" trend from?

The only thing they'll need is to decouple chrome and require a system update, and they could be providing updates for a decade.

[–] TheRealKuni 6 points 5 months ago

Those updates are easy when you have to release a system update to update the safari browser. Hell, you could call it a major security fix and fix some security issue on an old phone and every fanboy would be like "OMG iPhone 3s got an update.🤤" whereas Google can just ship browser fixes over the app store.

Except that’s not what Apple means when they say they’ll update phones for five years. Security fixes aren’t the same as full iOS versions.

iOS 17, which came out September 2023, is available for the iPhone XR and XS, which came out in September of 2018. That’s a full OS update with all the non-hardware-based bells and whistles.

Security patches may very well release for older phones, but not full OS updates. Earlier this year they dropped a security patch for the iPhone 6S, a phone from 2015.