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I promise you that if you put a libertarian into a place without government regulation, they will still insist that there is a secret government regulation responsible for their lives being shit.
Sadly, I think you're probably right. I used to tell them to go to Rwanda if they wanted to live in a tax-free utopia, but Rwanda has taxation now what with it having a more or less functional government now.
You seem to confuse us with leftists. No, it's not the patriarchy/white people keeping you down. We're the first to tell you that you are responsible for your own success
Keep on assuming we just don't understand, despite libertarians spewing their shit all over the Internet for decades at this point.
Yet people still call us Republicans who smoke weed.
If you've been spewing your shit all over the Internet for decades and people still think that, then either:
People still think bisexuals are gays in denial. People still think there are two genders. It's hard to escape binary thinking
The problem is being the last to admit that you are responsible for all your own fuckups.
To claim credit for your successes you need to also admit fault for your failures, it goes both ways
I'm dying right now. You must be going through life with horse-blinders on or something.
What's your point? Libertarians are all about taking personal responsibility
Ron Paul can't even take responsibility for racist newsletters.
Edit: will you respond with "he didn't have time to edit them" (undermining the personal responsibility point), or "Ron Paul isn't libertarian" (No True Libertarian). I await with baited breath.
I used to like him as an outsider candidate, but I can no longer endorse his views, especially as he tacitly defends Russian authoritarian state by demanding the US go back on its security guarantees.
There's a split between Kremlintarians and liberal democracy supporting libertarians. The racist newsletters were the canary in the coal mine, Ron Paul is actually fairly right wing and gets a lot of support from right wing people. I would no longer support him or his son for President.
Do you have a source on that? My experience with libertarians is "I do what I want, and if I cause problems for you, fuck you" not "I'm personally responsible for my actions and the effects they have on my surroundings".
Also, you blindly missing the point, and then dodging it instead of admitting you missed the crux of the issue was just chef's kiss perfect.
Source: lots of people are different and you should not generalize some libertarians to every libertarian.
Libertarians believe in NOT causing problems for others. It's the basis of lobertanism, the non-aggression principle
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle
So no source?
I just linked you
To a wikipedia page about the non-aggression principle...
Not a source that documents personal responsibility as a core value of libertarianism.
So no source?
It's got sources in the article.
Should be easy enough to copy/paste that link then.
It sure is
https://books.google.com/books?id=yxNgXs3TkJYC
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Virtue_of_Selfishness
https://cdn.mises.org/Theory%20of%20Socialism%20and%20Capitalism,%20A_4.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzHEhMQaKbg&t=1209s
https://archive.org/details/TheMachineryOfFreedom/page/n65/mode/2up
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Shrugged
https://oll-resources.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/oll3/store/titles/222/0057_Bk.pdf
http://fff.org/explore-freedom/article/the-morality-of-libertarianism/
Mostly irrelevant links. At least your last one mentions that...
Which is cool I guess, but it failed to show any examples of Libertarian individuals, or libertarian communities actually upholding that trait. I'm sure almost every ideology claims personal responsibility as a core value in some of it's foundational literature.
Typically, when I hear Libertarians talk about "Personal Responsibility" they tend to take it more "personal" and less "responsible".
I'd call it a weak source at best, but thank you for making the good effort to provide it. I really do appreciate it.