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Madlad posted this on the r/libertarian subreddit and they banned him (lemmy.world)
submitted 5 months ago by Potatos_are_not_friends to c/politicalmemes
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[–] iopq 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

To claim credit for your successes you need to also admit fault for your failures, it goes both ways

[–] Bytemeister 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm dying right now. You must be going through life with horse-blinders on or something.

[–] iopq 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

What's your point? Libertarians are all about taking personal responsibility

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Ron Paul can't even take responsibility for racist newsletters.

Edit: will you respond with "he didn't have time to edit them" (undermining the personal responsibility point), or "Ron Paul isn't libertarian" (No True Libertarian). I await with baited breath.

[–] iopq 1 points 5 months ago

I used to like him as an outsider candidate, but I can no longer endorse his views, especially as he tacitly defends Russian authoritarian state by demanding the US go back on its security guarantees.

There's a split between Kremlintarians and liberal democracy supporting libertarians. The racist newsletters were the canary in the coal mine, Ron Paul is actually fairly right wing and gets a lot of support from right wing people. I would no longer support him or his son for President.

[–] Bytemeister 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Do you have a source on that? My experience with libertarians is "I do what I want, and if I cause problems for you, fuck you" not "I'm personally responsible for my actions and the effects they have on my surroundings".

Also, you blindly missing the point, and then dodging it instead of admitting you missed the crux of the issue was just chef's kiss perfect.

[–] iopq 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Source: lots of people are different and you should not generalize some libertarians to every libertarian.

Libertarians believe in NOT causing problems for others. It's the basis of lobertanism, the non-aggression principle

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle

[–] Bytemeister 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So no source?

[–] iopq 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I just linked you

[–] Bytemeister 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

To a wikipedia page about the non-aggression principle...

Not a source that documents personal responsibility as a core value of libertarianism.

So no source?

[–] iopq 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's got sources in the article.

[–] Bytemeister 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Should be easy enough to copy/paste that link then.

[–] iopq 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Bytemeister 1 points 5 months ago

Mostly irrelevant links. At least your last one mentions that...

Libertarianism celebrates things such as individual liberty, (...) individual responsibility, (...) and a free society.

Which is cool I guess, but it failed to show any examples of Libertarian individuals, or libertarian communities actually upholding that trait. I'm sure almost every ideology claims personal responsibility as a core value in some of it's foundational literature.

Typically, when I hear Libertarians talk about "Personal Responsibility" they tend to take it more "personal" and less "responsible".

I'd call it a weak source at best, but thank you for making the good effort to provide it. I really do appreciate it.