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[–] retrospectology 44 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

And it was Sanders who actually got the Insulin reduction through, Biden just kind of accepted it as a win once it became inevitable.

People's memory is so freaking short.

[–] Eldritch 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

That's how all of this works. Trump would have refused to sign it had it been brought to his desk. The president at best can block bills or try to set an agenda as party leader. Everything else relies on the house and Senate. Which we should remember they gave Sanders more power and important committee placement just for this reason.

I voted for Sanders in the primary twice. I would have loved to see him as president. However I think he's been more productive as a Democrat senator than he realistically would have been able to as president.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Well we will never know because the DNC decided they get to pick the candidate not the people

[+] Eldritch -10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

If you have proof of that you should come forward with it. All of those pissy whining and moaning people who've been making these claims all these years will thank you.

I voted for Sanders twice in the primary. But even I'm not delusional enough to still be making these claims this far on. As much as I hate to say it Clinton and Biden did both win the Democratic primaries. Neither one of them were my first pics. But they won fair and square no matter what you are trying to will to come in to being.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You voted for Sanders twice and didn't follow any of the legal proceedings or statements actually on record from the DNC? I don't know what kind of slack jawed political corespondent you think you are but obviously you're misinformed. The very fact you're disingenuous and negatively insulting with your reply says it all. They won the Democratic primaries, sure. Fair and square? No fucking way.

[+] Eldritch -9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I did. I simply don't have to lie and misrepresent things like accelerationist Marxist leninists do 🙂

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

lol you're like the perfect Lemmy parody at this point. Even got some name calling in because I have an account on .ml? You're a child.

For anyone else, lets go to the DNC's responses when questioned on whether their elections are fair and balanced

we could have voluntarily decided that, Look, we’re gonna go into back rooms like they used to and smoke cigars and pick the candidate that way. That’s not the way it was done. But they could have. And that would have also been their right… - DNC attorney Bruce Spiva. DNC lawyers have argued and continue to argue that the Democratic Party doesn’t owe anyone a fair process. It has every right to disregard its own rules or interpret its rules how it wants because it is a private organization

Bruce Spiva, representing the DNC, made the argument that would eventually carry the day: … as he explained how the DNC worked, Spiva made a hypothetical argument that the party wasn’t really bound by the votes cast in primaries or caucuses. “The party has the freedom of association to decide how it’s gonna select its representatives to the convention and to the state party,” said Spiva. “Even to define what constitutes evenhandedness and impartiality really would already drag the court well into a political question and a question of how the party runs its own affairs. The party could have favored a candidate. I’ll put it that way.”

source, source

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Damn, I wish I could be as knowledgeable as you. Y’all people make me jealous with your ability to address shit with resources. A fuckin low bar rarely cleared.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

This one was easy, campaigned and followed daily for Sanders in 2016. The constant charade and collusion inside the DNC against Sanders at the time was apparent and became factual with court cases and leaked documents. It's why Debbie Wasserman Schultz lost her position as chairwoman (should've been banned from the party, but that would be holding people accountable).

Wasserman Schultz was elected chair of the Democratic National Committee in May 2011, replacing Tim Kaine.[2][3] On July 28, 2016, she resigned from that position after WikiLeaks released leaked emails showing that she and other members of the DNC staff had favored Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders in the 2016 Democratic primaries in exchange for funding to eliminate the DNC's remaining debt from the 2012 presidential campaign.[3][4] source

I would categorize @[email protected] as a disinformation troll at this point. It's one thing to be wrong, but to lie with insults and not step back any statements is a sign of someone who doesn't care because they already did what they sought out to do.

Definitely always do the research if you have time to respond, there's plenty of times I've been misinformed till I start digging into it and always try to apologize with a correction to my statements.

[–] AA5B 2 points 6 months ago

The more primary votes for Sanders and for progressive candidates, the more likely are their ideas to make it onto the party platform, and the more likely they are to be appointed to positions of influence. It’s not all or nothing, but many bits and pieces where it all counts