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After the Red Hat mess I see many people saying IBM destroys everything they touch, but I can't think of many examples of it. Can you tell me what else IBM has destroyed after acquiring it, or something good that they themselves developed and then ruined it with stupid corporate choices?

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[–] Curious_Canid 67 points 1 year ago (3 children)

IBM bought the Weather Underground. It had a set of developer APIs that allowed small-scale apps to make use of their data. As soon as IBM bought them the APIs were changed and replaced with a set priced to be affordable only to other mega-corporations.

It killed a tiny little free app I had built around it. The real irony is that I took a deep breath, looked around, and adapted the app to use the Dark Skies API instead. A few years later Apple bought Dark Skies and killed off its API too. {heavy sigh}

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're probably already aware of this, but now Pirate Weather (http://pirateweather.net/en/latest/) offers a Dark Sky style API. I honestly don't get amazing accuracy from it for my area, but it's not awful.

[–] Curious_Canid 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I had heard of that, but was just too discouraged to try it at the time. Now that I've had some time to recover I should give it a look. Adapting my code to use it doesn't look like it would take much effort.

Thanks!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Be careful. Zuckerberg is in the corner, watching you and waiting to pounce.

[–] Ejh3k 5 points 1 year ago

There has been a distinct difference with weather underground since IBM bought it. Mostly in the app performance, but for my money there is no better weather app in terms of accuracy and forecast.

My job relies on the weather and I have converted many people over the years.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Something about that story sounds awfully familiar...

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[–] patsharpesmullet 63 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I was part of an acquisition, company was performing well against bigger players and IBM came in and threw a load of money at the owners.

Once we completed the transref of business we were paid massive retention bonuses, managers got company cars etc.

Not one sale of the product was made in the next 6 years and the business unit closed down. Previous CEO founded a competitor when his non compete clause ended and the customer base IBM had bought moved.

This is not an isolated occurrence.

[–] jestyr 56 points 1 year ago (5 children)

They are driven by quarterly earnings. No company can be successful long term when focusing on maximum profit in the next three months. So they buy a company at the top and ride the money wave until they aren’t profitable, then sell the name or IP to another company, lather, rinse, repeat.

They did this with PCs, Storage, big data, Healthcare tech, etc etc. Now they are squeezing the last money juice out the cloud acquisitions because the market is saturated with viable competitors. They will do the same with AI and Quantum Computing in the future.

It is a viable strategy if you are big enough. Broadcom, and before them, Symantec are other examples.

Profit > Innovation

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

What does IBM's work on Watson mean for their position in AI?

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[–] mykl 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

IBM buys companies because it wants something the company has and it's happy to throw away (sorry, divest) the bits it's not interested in. That's it. The people in the bought company, or their customers, may feel that the things that they valued and that made them precious have been destroyed, but IBM didn't value them enough to preserve them.

[–] MargotRobbie 33 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Have you ever used this thing called "Lotus Notes" before?

Oh dear God.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sametime is equally horrendous.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

That’s a name I’ve not heard in a long time…

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Back when emojis were novel in the corporate environment, I always questioned who at IBM decided a sheep emoji was a valuable addition. I mean, I used it in messages, but probably not in the way IBM intended....

[–] str82L 4 points 1 year ago
[–] patsharpesmullet 3 points 1 year ago

I worked with someone who moved their entire workload into notes, email, spreadsheets, browsing, embedded sametime, you name it he used notes for it.

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[–] krazylink 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

OS/2 was poised to be a really awesome operating system. Bad decisions and poor marketing really eff'ed that up. We could have had a full GUI, multi-user OS for consumers like 10 good years earlier than we did and it likely would have curbed Microsoft's monopoly.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Solidifying a far stronger IBM monopoly in the process

[–] Sir_Simon_Spamalot 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thank God they sold Thinkpad, then...

Tho I'm not so sure if Lenovo is doing any better...

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You mean the Chinese company that put keyloggers into their firmware, said sorry we didn't mean to when they were called out for it, but still didn't remove it?

Yeah... I'm gonna go with not much better.

[–] Sir_Simon_Spamalot 6 points 1 year ago

Exactly 🥹

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know about Superfish and the vulnerable (but not malicious in itself) firmware-embedded crapware. What was the keylogger story?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So it was in like 2013 or 14 so it was a long time ago and I might be remembering it wrong, but I remember it being reported that the firmware that was installed with Questionable functionality was found to be collecting and sending personal usage data back to Lenovo, specifically the Chinese branch based on the IP. I'm. Im not 100% sure if it was specifically keylogging, but it was definitely data that they had no business collecting so I might have remembered it as such.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I think you're probably referring to one of the first two things listed on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo#Security_and_privacy_incidents - Superfish was not in the firmware but was outright adware and a massive hazard (Lenovo got fined for it), while the Service Engine was just garbage with vulnerabilities but was indeed embedded in the firmware.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Didn’t IBM create the punchcard machines the nazis used to catalogue Jews? Genocide counts, right?

[–] Curious_Canid 15 points 1 year ago

Yes, they did. And yes, it does.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

IBM is a law firm wrapped in a tech company.

Source - 10+ years working with them and watching them keep their claws dug in with management.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This right here. When the company I worked for got bought by them our code got "blue washed" by a team of....lawyer/dev hybrids for lack of a better term. They ripped the shit out of our code. It took us years to unshitify it.

[–] KirbyQK 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What does blue washed mean?

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[–] Shartacus 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

IBM started in my town and destroyed the whole town. They dumped toxic chemicals all over the place and then sold off and left this place a ghost town.

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[–] spaxxor 13 points 1 year ago

Ibm has a reputation for destroying everything they touch thanks to one thing.

Profit at every cost.

Never trust a big corp, never expect anything from them except the intent to screw you. They'll be expecting a thank you.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

fwiw i work with a bunch of former ibmers.

super super nice people who are crazy smart.

but think something in their brains got wired differently when they worked there - they just build all sorts of amazing stuff without thinking about the strategy for it. who will use it, in what scenarios, how will it be supported once interest surpasses cycles of the creator.

not all indicative of the companies history or current reputation but interesting to see at the micro level

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Every large company have this aspect, but they usually have this group as part of research. These research projects are unbridled, with no concern for business. The group is measured by the number of patents they file. A separate group then picks through the research output and figure out how to monetize it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I suspect that they're a very slow-moving corporate culture and likely mostly interested in value extraction over a long term. It's a general opposite of move-fast-and-break-stuff.

You don't expect IBM to provide paradigm-breaking sexy new things, you expect them to build boring corporate stuff that you support for decades and gradually crystallizes because you can't break specific use cases.

It takes a specific kind to get excited about that.

The whole MCA and PS/2 fiasco is probably at its heart them overplaying their hand on a business level. The PS/2s were cleverly designed machines and MCA was impressive for a 1987 design, but they fell flat because the business guys wanted to use it to rebottle the genie that Compaq released.

I've heard that OS/2 got hamstrung by IBM promising too much business-wise. They sold 286s with the promise it would run OS/2, but the 286 was a pretty bad platform to juggle DOS software and more modern multitasking on, so it was jankier and more incomplete than it needed to be. Even before the era of direct competition, OS/2 had a rep of being expensive and aekward.

I wonder if it would have fared better if the MS-IBM partnership had started 3 yesrs later and targeted the 386 from day 1.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

The whole PS/2 & OS/2 fiasco is probably what pushed the once great IBM away from hardware and software production into managed services and consulting which is where they make their money now. They are a contract sales driven company. Quarterly sales targets & bonuses is a good way to motivate the sales team. The problem is that IBM concider everything other than sales an expense to be minimized. They do not invest. They market. "Watson" did not represent AI innovation. It was just a marketing tool.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Anecdotally, every interaction I or many friends had with IBM left a "is this the 90s" taste.
It feels super disorganized but it's still a big corp, "simple" dev position hard require a degree (like, their system just wouldn't let a friend submit their application because they didn't press the checkmark lol) - usually it's not a hard requirement in our local market. I'm still waiting 5 years later for the VP of the BU I was interviewing at to return from his vacation to "approve my hire" LOL (for all concerned I found work at a different company... But still amusing to think about that guy spending 5 years in vacation...).

Just examples, but feels like there's some internal process/management failures higher up the food chain. Their devs create pretty innovative things, then nothing is actually done with that lol.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

IBM bought a an innovative SAN company, and sold these products for a while as their XIV brand (no relation to my username!). Was pretty much superior in most ways to their home-grown SAN offerings.

They killed the entire line off, after the 3rd gen product; about all that remains of it is the management UI, they butchered it and applied it to their own SANs. But the UI was only a small part of what made XIV great.

The original XIV founder went on to found Infinidat, which basically carries on where XIV left off, it was a great migration to their hardware!

[–] abaixodecao 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well, there are exceptions, but I can remember one...

They bought Red Hat, now that company software is going closed source.

[–] Captain_Patchy 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It legally cannot be made closed source.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

IBM/Redhat only HAS to provide their source code to paying customers. That is what they are doing. They will also refuse to do business with entities that use the source to release the source or use it in a derivative distro.

This violates the spirit of open-source. IBM benefits from the work of thousands of programmers for free, but refuses to reciprocate. They are de facto close sourcing their code.

You can also bet of the fact that IBM will decrease their development of Redhat (more layoffs) over time as they emphasize short term profits.

[–] Captain_Patchy 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hats-commitment-open-source-response-gitcentosorg-changes

From that link,

Despite what’s currently being said about Red Hat, we make our hard work readily accessible to non-customers. Red Hat uses and will always use an open source development model. When we find a bug or write a feature, we contribute our code upstream. This benefits everyone in the community, not just Red Hat and our customers.

We don’t simply take upstream packages and rebuild them. At Red Hat, thousands of people spend their time writing code to enable new features, fixing bugs, integrating different packages and then supporting that work for a long time - something that our customers and partners need.

This is about the hours and late nights we spend backporting a patch to code that is now 5 to 10 years old or older; at any given time, we are supporting 3-4 major release streams, while applying patches and backports to all. Additionally, when we develop fixes for issues in RHEL, we don't just apply them to RHEL - they are applied upstream first, to projects like Fedora, CentOS Stream or the kernel project itself, and we then backport them. Maintaining and supporting an operating system for 10 years is a Herculean task - there‘s enormous value in the work we do.

We will always send our code upstream and abide by the open source licenses our products use, which includes the GPL.

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[–] stevehobbes 7 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately by destroying every startup they touch. The squeeze the money out of absolutely everything while not investing in it.

The only people that can afford something of theirs and are dumb enough to buy it are fortune 500s.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I still can't believe they sold ThinkPad to Lenovo. I suppose we can't have a nice thing from IBM anymore?

[–] Magister 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Having used PC for a long time, I'd say... The PC 😁

MCA bus for instance

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The numbers on forearms used to keep track of holocaust prisoners used by the nazis.... was a proprietary system developed by IBM for the nazis. Does that count?

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