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FBI article

Text: After 39 years, it remains one of the most unique improvised explosives devices (IEDs) the Bureau has ever come across.

The device contained nearly 1,000 pounds of dynamite and eight triggering mechanisms, which made it virtually undefeatable.

In the early morning hours of August 26, 1980, men wearing white jumpsuits and pretending to deliver an IBM copy machine rolled a bomb into Harvey’s Resort Hotel and Casino in Stateline, Nevada, near Lake Tahoe.

A note left with the bomb—titled STERN WARNING TO THE MANAGEMENT AND BOMB SQUAD—began ominously: “Do not move or tilt this bomb, because the mechanism controlling the detonators in it will set it off at a movement of less than .01 of the open end Ricter [sic] scale.”

“Do not try to take it apart,” the note went on. “The flathead screws are also attached to triggers and as much as ¼ to ¾ of a turn will cause an explosion....This bomb is so sensitive that the slightest movement either inside or outside will cause it to explode. This bomb can never be dismantled or disarmed without causing an explosion. Not even by the creator.”

The “creator,” the FBI later discovered, was 59-year-old John Birges, Sr.—who wanted $3 million in cash in return for supplying directions to disconnect two of the bomb’s three automatic timers so it could be moved to a remote area before exploding.

After being discovered, the bomb was photographed, dusted for fingerprints, X-rayed, and studied. Finally, more than 30 hours later, a plan was agreed upon: if the two boxes could be severed using a shaped charge of C4 explosive, it might disconnect the detonator wiring from the dynamite.

Harvey’s and other nearby casinos in Lake Tahoe were evacuated, and on the afternoon of August 27, the shaped charge was remotely detonated.

The plan was the best one available at the time, but it didn’t work. The bomb exploded, creating a five-story crater in the hotel.

Tourists at neighboring casinos bet on when the bomb would go off, or if it would go off. After the bomb detonated, crowds cheered and reveled from a safe distance. Due to the planning of the FBI and our partners, there were no deaths or injuries.

“Today’s IEDs use more advanced electronics,” said retired Special Agent Thomas Mohnal, a former examiner in our Explosives Unit, based at the FBI Laboratory in Quantico, Virginia. “Our techniques and tools for dealing with these devices are also more advanced,” Mohnal added, “but you still probably couldn’t build a bomb much tougher to defeat than Harvey’s.”

Birges, Sr., said to be an inveterate gambler who had lost a substantial amount of money at Harvey’s, was caught (with the help of an alert clerk at a nearby hotel who had written down the license plate of the bomb delivery van) and convicted. His two sons, charged as accomplices, were given suspended sentences because they cooperated with authorities. Birges died in jail in 1996.

Today, the FBI Laboratory displays the trial model as a “notable IED” example in its explosives reference collection.

The FBI’s partners in the investigation included the Nevada Department of Public Safety, the California State Police, the U.S. Army Explosive Ordinance Disposal, and the Nuclear Emergency Support Team.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Here's a twenty minute Biographics video on it and the creator if anyone is interested

[–] BigDiction 6 points 1 year ago

Thanks for sharing!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Love the use of the toilet floater there.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can't believe you missed the opportunity to use the word ballcock

[–] justabigemptyhole 4 points 1 year ago

I legit had a friend who insisted, quite mistakenly, on saying ballcock as "cock-and-ball." I have no idea why. I'd used it in his presence before. I never bothered to correct him; it was too funny to see him ask a hardware store employee for one. I wonder if he ever realized this, and lies awake at night shaking his head. How did he not end up known all over town as the Cock/Balls guy? Maybe everyone has mistakes like these. I guess it's a good thing sillcocks never came up. Anyway, he was a dick.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Birges, Sr., said to be an inveterate gambler who had lost a substantial amount of money at Harvey's

He put so much thought into constructing a bomb I almost started to respect him. Initially, I thought it could be better if he applied the same energy to stop his gambling addiction. But after reading he was using his sons for his plot I ended up seeing him as a fool and an asshole.

[–] mlg 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The plan was the best one available at the time, but it didn’t work.

Sureeeeeee. Putting a shaped explosive on the explosive to severe the explosive was definitely the best idea lol.

[–] stoicmaverick 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well I for one am rock hard in anticipation of you telling the class what YOU think the best solution was. Especially considering that both the FBI bomb disposal specialists, and the Army EOD (who I have personally seen in action), decided that that was the best option at the time.

[–] ours 4 points 1 year ago

Even NEST was involved. If nuclear weapon specialists are raising their shoulders and agree this is the best plan, I guess that's it.

Also, we have to consider this is the best plan that doesn't involve a human tinkering with a device that has a very high risk of exploding. Those may have better chances but put a lot of risk to human life.

[–] setsneedtofeed 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It’s actually not uncommon to use precision shaped charges or aimed explosive water shots with the goal of attacking a vulnerable part of the firing train. The goal isn’t to hit the explosives, but some part of the firing system. If a battery or wire can be cut, the explosive sitting on its own becomes much easier to deal with.

Considering the Harvey’s IED was also entirely encased in steel, with the screws hooked to a firing device and an anti-vibration feature, it doesn’t leave a lot of options. They couldn’t hand disassemble, they couldn’t drill in, they couldn’t use a water charge, they couldn’t use a solid metal disabling slug. They couldn’t feasibly move the thing. The options were pretty much burn their way or try to sever with a shaped charge.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

A lot of bombs don't go off unless the mechanism fires. Blowing up the mechanism is a valid choice. It just didn't work because this guy is a joker-level mad man.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Had never read this story and it is genuinely fucking insane. Imagine how many people he jepoardized in the attempt to extort the place.

[–] ours 2 points 1 year ago

If the bomb was as sensitive as he claimed, he certainly put a lot of people's lives at very serious risk.