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[–] Dead_or_Alive 69 points 10 months ago (70 children)

This is such a bullshit article. Yeah the NRA is a terrible organization and there are a lot of reasons to attack them. But attacking the educational, gun safety and shooting sports programs that they offer or fund is complete bullshit and is detrimental to the public good.

This is like saying we shouldn’t offer driving classes because one day a student might get into an accident.

Correlation is not causation.

[–] Zoboomafoo 35 points 10 months ago

Out of all the things to criticise the NRA for, this is the last

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[–] SPRUNT 31 points 10 months ago

Yes, because what America REALLY needs are school shooters with better aim.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's 4-H. That is not exactly a radical organization.

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[–] ericisshort 20 points 10 months ago (2 children)

So glad to see the NRA are finally training the kids. It’s always been obvious that the main reason for school shootings is that the children have been failing to protect themselves. After all, more adults with guns has greatly reduced the number of adult shootings, because why wouldn’t it? Good guys with the guns always stop bad guys with guns.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

the next american generation will be trained from kindergarten to live with a war mentality. they'll train in escape tactics, how to be always aware of exits, how to identify the sound of gun fire, and this will be a constant presence in their daily lives.

also those kids will buy guns on mass once they reach adulthood, after all they have been trained from birth that they live in a war against an always present unknown enemy.

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[–] FireTower 3 points 10 months ago

This isn't something new the NRA has always had a role in training Americans to shoot. This article is just complaining that they let 4-H kids learn firearms safety and shoot a 22lr. Which they've been doing for decades.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

As a teacher of children I’m beginning to think maybe it actually would be better if fancy LLMs just took my job.

[–] _danny 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I'm actually beginning to believe the setting for Ready Player One. In the next ten years it might just be cheaper and safer for children to be given a nice VR headset and attend school fully virtually, hell they might actually get a better education since it'll be easier to mute misbehaving children.

Not exactly going to work for kids under 12 or so, and there's probably lots of eye strain associated with being in a VR headset for hours upon hours, but hey at least the risk of being shot will be lower since there's clearly no way in hell that we will get laws to control weapons.

[–] ashok36 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

You assume that the primary purpose of public schools is to educate children. It's not. It's free daycare so both parents can go to work and contribute to gdp while barely treading water even with two incomes.

[–] _danny 2 points 10 months ago

That was the primary reason I mentioned the whole age thing. Teenagers really don't need a babysitter.

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[–] crystalmerchant 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

oh no

which mass shooting? did I miss yet another one in the pile of headlines about mass shootings??

[–] samus12345 3 points 10 months ago

The one in Maine on Oct. 25th.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Another mass shooting! How PERFECT! I can finally pretend to care about the Constitution again! I'm a Pro Life Republican!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I’m surprised the NRA aren’t giving away a free gun to every family member over the age of 6 months. /s

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Free? They would never do that.

Got to keep those gun manufacturer profits high.

[–] SPRUNT 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

That would NEVER happen.

If the NRA had its way, the kid would be fitted with a holster in the womb.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

That worked fine in Serbia ;(

[–] Additional_Prune 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I'm as anti-NRA as anybody, but 4-H teaching kids to shoot is not a big deal. I taught at a high school in Los Angeles that used to have a shooting range. It also had a marching band. Both are gone. Cutbacks, focus on the required classes, no money for frilly electives.

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