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In a surprising move, Apple has announced today that it will adopt the RCS (Rich Communication Services) messaging standard. The feature will launch via a software update “later next year” and bring a wide range of iMessage-style features to messaging between iPhone and Android users.

Apple’s decision comes amid pressure from regulators and competitors like Google and Samsung. It also comes as RCS has continued to develop and become a more mature platform than it once was.

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[–] Uglyhead 94 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Nothing phone in shambles.

[–] 13617 20 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

We need to thank the nothing phone for this. They're only responding like this after severe market pressure. Thank you Nothing

[–] [email protected] 57 points 7 months ago (7 children)

Do you honestly think Apple cares about Nothing in any capacity? They are irrelevant and apply zero market pressure on Apple.

[–] 13617 10 points 7 months ago

They don't necessarily put market pressure on apple but they do put the messaging pressure on Apple. MKBHDs video explained it pretty well, if apple were to just shut down nothing's messenger methods, then they'd get a lot of negative press and the EU would have more reason to take action against them.

I think that apple's trying to get out of the EUs grasp especially with this move. But the pressure from Nothing seems to have done at least something.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Beeper too. They got a lot of buzz a while back for a similar feature.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That means google is going to open the rcs api up to other devs soon too...right? Right??

[–] [email protected] 40 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It says in the artical they plan to use rcs the standard as currently published by the GSM Association. So I assume they won't be using Google version. Unless I'm misunderstanding it.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I'm not denying that. Later on in the article it goes into further detail about how apple use the GSM RCS standard and "work to improve it". Which means they won't use Google's version. So now we see what Google will do as Apple will not be working with them on the Google version after all their fuss about rcs.

My wife and I have a pixel while the rest of my family useses iPhone so I am quite interested in how this will turn out. If there is a way the two meet on the GSM standard I think it will be great. But will Google be willing to do that?

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[–] stevar 19 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Samsung Messages is RCS enabled too, fyi.

[–] ForgotAboutDre 3 points 7 months ago

Only because they have some leverage over Google. It's also reliant on using Jibe. Which is where Google can get info on your social graph.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 7 months ago (2 children)

This is great but surprising news. Hopefully the implementation is actually good

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I imagine they'll probably keep the blue bubbles and some features exclusive to iMessage users, but this is still great news.

I wonder if this will encourage Google to allow Fi users to have RCS while texting from PC...

[–] GhostlyPixel 3 points 7 months ago

Yep, they’ll definitely stick to the blue green system that already exists, threads with greens will just be improved from what they were/currently are

[–] 13617 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

What do you guys think is going to happen with like an open RCS standard? RCS is only available on Google messages.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They're going to implement the open standard ... which isn't what most Android users are actually using. Does Google's Messages app gracefully transition to the RCS standard if that's what the other person is using?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (8 children)

No idea but, I suspect that Apple will have some negotiating power here, hopefully weakening Google's control and making it mostly open

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[–] hesusingthespiritbomb 21 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Alright so who do you think implements it first: Google Voice or Apple?

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[–] TheControlled 18 points 7 months ago

Waiting for Apple to play it off like they weren't the problem the whole time.

[–] danielfgom 16 points 7 months ago

This was a big shock but welcome nevertheless. I think the looming EU Digital Rights Commission helped apply the pressure needed to make the change

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

ok so the main hope here as a non google messages user is that this forces google to actually open up rcs more
because the fact that on android its de facto completely controlled by google (yes, i know its an open standard, thats why apple can do it separately, but you can still functionally monopolize an open standard) really sucks
like man i just want apis for rcs in aosp finally is that too much to ask for :(

[–] NoLifeGaming 13 points 7 months ago

I wonder if this comes due to the EU

[–] Kethal 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I asked this in another RCS thread but didn't get a conclusive answer. My understanding is that RCS, although there are claims that it's an open standard, is essentially controlled by Google. Looking this is up doesn't lead me far. Most articles just say that SMS sends blurry videos and that RCS is better at that. They don't discuss who develops RCS or how it works. Am I wrong, is it really open? SMS has serious flaws, but a corporporate controlled "standard" is even worse in my mind.

[–] Senshi 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

RCS is an open standard that states to be formalized over ten years ago, and was planned to replace SMS. However, SMS is a service offered by the cell network providers, so these were addressed to get together and implement it in all networks, so everyone can reliably use it, just like SMS works everywhere. it's not a feature of phone or OS manufacturers. They simply use the SMS protocol that is already available in the network implementation.

Sadly, the big network providers have failed to reach a consensus on if and when and how to implement RCS. Some say they simply had nothing to gain from it, and I believe they might be right. So they dragged their feet so long that Apple implemented iMessage to offer more features. Google held out longer waiting for the providers, but ultimately gave up as well and implemented their own messaging solution. And while the implementation is proprietary, it's still based on the open RCS standard, unlike the fully closed iMessage protocol and implementation. This means that as long Apple supports the RCS standard, it matters little to the end user if they build their own proprietary implementation. Google and Apple will be able to talk to each other via RCS. So why is it still not great, even if everyone will be able to use RCS this way?

Well, look a bit further. Any non-Android and non-Apple phone will not be able to participate unless they submit to Google it Apple. No more indie phones with truly independent RCS. The services are also owned and controlled by Google and Apple, two companies that are notoriously resistant to regulations. Unlike cell network providers, which are under comparatively strict federal regulatory control, and even international treaties on minimal requirements for consumer protection. They are well supervised and have to adhere to high security and privacy standards. It's definitely not perfect, but the current development is much worse. With RCS, it's now two global supranational companies that will handle your private communications, and history has shown that they are much less worried about adhering to local national laws.

[–] Kethal 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ok, so the gist of this that I'm getting is that there is an genuinely open RCS standard, but no one has implemented it. Instead, Google has their thing that's been modified for their benefit at the expense of consumer privacy, and that Apple seems to be making their own similar version. So RCS itself isn't bad, but it's being ruined by bad actors, and as of yet there are no good actors.

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[–] Resol 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So what will the color of the bubbles be this time? Red?

(Assuming that SMS and RCS aren't merged)

[–] hackitfast 12 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I read somewhere that they will still be green. It's confirmed by Apple as well.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Fucking thank you. I’m so sick of not having typing indicators and read receipts with my parents lmao.

[–] dantheclamman 12 points 7 months ago

Mostly I just want videos that aren't compressed into oblivion

[–] PostnataleAbtreibung 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Still better than WhatsApp, but i would bet this will haunt us for many more years. I couldn’t convince others to use any alternative messenger to WhatsApp, unfortunately. It is easy too pupillary here

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

I finally deleted my WhatsApp account and it feels good to not have any Meta tentacles on my device.

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[–] joker125 7 points 7 months ago

As an iPhone convert this is a good thing.

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