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Reddit Activity 08 - 28 June [OC] (lemmy.world)

submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by JanoRis to c/dataisbeautiful

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During the Reddit Blackout i made a graph showing the posts and comments/day (Link).

Some days ago i was asked to make an Update so here it is.

Source Data is from here and contains the same Data as some may know from here. Only difference is that the post and comment count is summed over the day.

EDIT:

The Original Post Data contained inconsistent Data points on each day (see here).

This is the corrected Chart, which uses the difference in Post IDs between the days to calculate the daily number (adjusted to s between the api calls):

I also adjusted the values to 10^6 and adjusted the y-axis ranges, I hope this makes it easier on the eyes.

For people complaining on the mixed chart: Double column looks bad with 2Y-Axis, and double lines looks too empty. 2Y-Axis are necessary cause of the difference in scaling of the posts and comments data, only other option would be an axis break.

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[–] guriinii 91 points 2 years ago (10 children)

Be interesting to see what happens between this period and over the next month. I made the switch today and I'm sure many more are doing also.

[–] CosmicCat 25 points 2 years ago

Welcome! :)

[–] SaladsForLions 5 points 2 years ago

Same with me - just joined a few hours ago! It would be great to see a viable community-run alternative to Reddit and other online services.

[–] CentreMetre 4 points 2 years ago

Yea i wonder if it does happen how much of a panic reddit is gonna be in, cos it cant reflect positively on their IPO. I hope they get screwed

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Same yesterday, still adaptating to Kbin and the Fed network, but anyway it's already a breath of fresh air!

[–] snek 2 points 2 years ago

Too many of my favourite communities are still yet to make a switch, but I sure as hell hope they do! r/crowbro would make an excellent addition to lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Welcome to the Fediverse!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Unfortunately we won't know statistically like this graph shows unless someone wants to pay the astronomical API feel to pull this data.

Welcome to the Fediverse coming from kbin.social!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Especially when 3rd party apps stop working.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Yup. Committing tonight; have to do it before the delete tools lose API access, ironically....I think. Not entirely sure how they work. Lol

[–] SnowGlobal 70 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Wow, I’m surprised that there wasn’t a bigger dip during the blackout. This shows how mainstream Reddit has become, and there’s a lot of momentum for people to stay there. But we don’t need to get hundreds of millions over to Fedi, just enough to have quality discussions. I’m more interested in seeing the continuation of the growth curves for Lemmy and others!

[–] danc4498 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm curious to see what happens when the 3rd party apps shut down. Most people I know that use them are just waiting on them to shut down before they change their habits.

Also, it's not going to change overnight. I suspect the quality of Lemmy/Kbin will keep rising while the quality of Reddit keeps declining. This will gradually shift where people go for their link aggregations.

[–] pleasemakesense 2 points 2 years ago

Yup, still been browsing reddit but when rif is off I'll be off too

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[–] netwren 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yeah I don't need Lemmy to go mainstream it's already plenty for me the way it is.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

It’s a good though. Reddit doesn’t need to fail for Lemmy to succeed.

[–] JanoRis 6 points 2 years ago

I just updated the post since it was missing data from 8-9 June. With this the dip seems a bit lower, but we can't know for sure since there is no more historic data reaching further back to my knowledge

[–] SeaJaye 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Though, I do kinda like the way it is rn. I mean, I hope for more communities & content someday. But, the vibe here is so calm & courteous atm. Like the best & kindest ppl are here now.

Idk.. I like all you guys, ig. Lol. It's just nice rn 😌

[–] SnowGlobal 4 points 2 years ago

Agreed! Everyone is chill here, it’s not just a bunch of karma whores, bots, and assholes dominating everything.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

It's so chill. The askKbin threads are full of such honest answers at the moment, not something trying to always be a joke or make a pun.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Exactly, I miss some of the smaller communities here but I don't miss having subreddits with hundreds of thousands of people. Besides, reddit is only going to get worse, if the fediverse continues to get better eventually people will move over. It's a marathon, not a sprint.

[–] twistedtxb 3 points 2 years ago

A vast majority of my posts on Reddit about their decision to remove 3rdPA was met with a "who cares?!"-type of response.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Me too, barely any of my subscribed subs stayed open during those first few days, effectively making reddit unusable to me, and I refused to /all or /frontpage so I could have expected a much shaper drop

[–] Kushan 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Probably worth considering that the (admittedly subjective and difficult to measure) quality of those posts and comments has likely taken a big dive.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (4 children)

It's purely subjective but I've seen a noticeable increase in bot prevalence. My lurker account has recently had multiple porn bots suddenly start to follow it which has never happened before.

What I wouldn't give to have stats on what % of the active Reddit community is actually organic vs bot.

[–] porksoda 17 points 2 years ago

The Twitter parallels continue.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

I wonder if Reddit is setting thousands of bots loose to keep the activity high so their IPO looks better or something? I don't know how any of this works but something like that wouldn't surprise me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Wait, reddit has a follow feature? Who'd use that nonsense?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It had a follow feature since at least 2012, maybe earlier than that. Miami redditors used to have a lot of meetups and we thought it would be fun to follow each other to see what we were commenting on and what subreddit everyone frequented, but since you couldn't see who was following you (at the time) it felt too much like stalking each other when we would bring up each other's comments each week, so we all stopped. But when someone you were following commented somewhere you were reading, it showed a special icon. Now they've made it more like Twitter where you have a profile page and a feed and they notify you when someone follows you, but it's all porn bots.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I used it to follow artists because they’d post to their own feed

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[–] giantofthenorth 12 points 2 years ago

Nice to know that the posts per day are staying lower than they were. Fuck em

[–] RaiderBDev 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hi, I'm the creator of the blackout tracker. I have a question, which I'm too lazy to verify myself. To get the total number of posts/comments per day, did you sum up all the data points perMinute values over the day or did you take the difference between the first and last ID of the day? If you went for the first option, did you account for the time between each post? Because the time between each data point can vary, since I stopped and restarted the server multiple times, during which no data was collected. Also if you look at the time frame on blackout.photon-reddit.com the peaks and lows over the 2 days visually looks a lot lower than in your graph.

[–] JanoRis 5 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Hi, thanks for your work and good point.

It is as you said, I am just summing the data since I don't know the Post and Comment Id format and how to convert it into a number. Is it Base64?

Here an Overview over your coverage though:

I guess this explains the higher number on the 8-9th. There seems to be a timeframe with 30 second pull intervalls on these days

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Pretty sad, but whatever. I’m super happy with my new home here.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Seems like reddit got more popular over media covering it?

[–] nepenthes 3 points 2 years ago

I'd wager it's bots.

[–] JanoRis 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize the 8-9th june was missing. With this it shows a decline from before, but it is difficult to know how big the effect was without more historic data. Sadly we don't have more than that.

I updated my post if you want to check it out

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Anyone notice that comments and posts are almost at the same level on Wednesday? Very suspicious, I think spez has really been pumping up bot activity just to give the appearance of not bleeding users.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Going through your source you are hitting

commentsPerMinute.json for comment counts

As part of your reddit api pull, what reason do you believe this information is accurate and not falsified?
It would be very easy to do so.

https://github.com/ArthurHeitmann/reddit_site_stats/blob/9e70f7195339d00f0bd49e252a7ca3fe829da5f2/src/missions/CommentsPerMinuteLoggerMission.ts

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Replying through my kbin since i can't reply to kbin from lemmy.world right now for a reason:

It's not actually my reddit api pull. As far as I understand the code, in a regular time intervall the newest post and comment are pulled to obtain the per minute data.
Not sure if that info is directly obtained from the reddit api, or if they use a comment/post ID to calculate the difference between each sampling point. Am not that good at coding myself.

But yeah i think that reddit could manipulate that data without issues.

There are some paying traffic monitoring sites that apparently showed a dip of 20% too (Reported here). They also report that the average time spent and session counts went down by 14% and 8%. Since this data is not obtained from reddit directly I think it might be a bit more representative

[–] lynny 2 points 2 years ago

Unfortunately this is barely in the realm of statistically significant. We'll have to see how things sit after July 1st.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Oof, this plot pains me. Commas on the axis labels would have been nice, but more importantly there's an obvious daily seasonality trend across the course of a week, and I don't think the % dips shown account for that. Had the blackout not occurred, at least some of that dip would have happened naturally.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Sadly no way of getting that data, since the data logging from the source only started on the 7th.
As for the commas, yeah i guess I should have made the values as 10^6.
Maybe if I make a follow up post at the start of July if the Raw Data gets updated on the source

Btw am replying from my kbin account since there seems to be an issue between lemmy.world and kbin right now. My comments just won't go through to kbin users

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