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Title says it all (i have turned on 165hz on settings). Its a cheap monitor, do some 165hz monitors not truly give you that experience? Or are my eyes fucked

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Try the UFO test. https://www.testufo.com/

If you still can't see the difference there may be a setting on the monitor or PC preventing you from seeing it.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I've never seen any difference with the top two with that test. My monitor is 144hz and TBH I might as well have saved my money and got 60Hz ones.

We're not all hardcore gamers trained to see miniscule differences.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Humans can see a single solid color frame changing at 1000 fps. So if you don't notice a difference between 60 and 165 fps something isn't working. It's not your eyes.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seeing a solid color frame change is completely different from the minor changes generally occurring per frame, especially in media such as movies and games which are continuous.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Hobbit movies at 48 instead of 24 fps still looked much smoother and better.

[–] foggenbooty 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yup, while I do see the point some people make about it breaking the immersion of film for being too fluid (everybody has their preferences) it definitely WAS more fluid.

I will say though that when I first moved from 60-144hz I wasn't blown away by the change either. Things seemed a bit smoother maybe but not that big a deal. It wasn't until I accidentally went back to 60 that something felt horribly wrong. I can ABSOLUTELY see the difference now and for some reason I had to get acclimated.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The difference shouldn't be miniscule, though. If you've never been able to see a difference, my money's on not setting the refresh rate in Windows. It's not automatic.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You dont have to be a hardcore gamer to see the difference. A lot of people who use phones see the difference 90/120hz makes over 60.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Do you have it enabled in Windows under display settings tho? It sounds like you aren't actually having it enabled. Other possibility is that your monitor has very low response time and everything blurs.

I'm not sure it it's possible to not see a difference in refresh rate jump this big until about 160Hz.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

You’re either trolling or you have a 60hz monitor lawl

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Or it just doesn't work right in their browser. It says in big bold letters "VSYNC is not available on the Linux platform" and at 960 pixels per second I actually can't tell the difference between the 100hz and 50hz lines. If I slow it to 480 pixels per second it becomes apparent, but I still feel like that's browser funkiness rather than a true frame rate difference. I don't think it's actually running at 100fps.

It's not my eyes, btw. I can usually tell the difference very easily. I had a problem with my Nvidia drivers for a while that would often make it reset to 60hz on reboot, instead of my display's max of 100. It was always immediately obvious to me just from the mouse cursor, even without consciously looking for it.

LOL as I was writing this, I reloaded the page and now it's very very obvious at 960. Something's definitely inconsistent on my device. Go figure.

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[–] FartsWithAnAccent 4 points 1 year ago

Cool, I've never seen this before. Thanks!

[–] Pr0v3n 50 points 1 year ago (8 children)

It’s wildly obvious if you grab a window and drag it around. Try having the settings on 60 and dragging it around when you change it to 165; it’s very glaringly obvious.

[–] Bonesince1997 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought you were talking about physical windows for a sec. Made no sense. I'm an idiot.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Please stop carrying huge glass panels around for no reason, that's not a safe thing to do.

[–] Bonesince1997 10 points 1 year ago

Lol. But I'm not done with my tests!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What works best for me is simply moving the cursor quickly in a circle. On a higher refresh display, you'll see much more "ghost" cursors at the same time.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

Have you configured your OS to use a higher refresh rate in monitor settings? The difference is night and day...

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

You're only going to notice if the thing playing goes up to 165fps. If you're, say, watching a movie or video you won't notice anything because there's nothing to notice.

Play a game that you can get really high FPS in (maybe Half Life 1 which a modern machine should have no trouble getting 300+). Limit it to 60. Check it out. Then go up to 144. Then 165.

Also if you have an nVidia GPU, it may not be setting the refresh rate properly. I constantly have this issue with driver updates resetting it back to 30hz on my machine. You gotta go into the Nvidia control panel, find the display settings and scroll down somewhere toward the bottom is a refresh rate setting. Change that to the highest your display can use.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

An addendum to this, the jump between 60 and 120 is not as noticeable outside of dynamic movement so even though you may see a slight difference when looking, unless you use M+K it won't feel that big. With mouse and keyboard quick mouse adjustments should feel smoother. And this isn't a knock on FPS over 60, just that the difference between 30 and 60 can feel very big when you snap between them

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[–] just_another_person 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It should be wildly obvious just moving your mouse across the screen. Maybe your graphics adapter has an issue and isn't properly setting the mode?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah I have the same problem with my laptop. It is set to 144hz but I don't see any difference with the external 60hz monitor. I guess I'm genetically not built for eSports.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

If you do quick circles with the cursor do you not see more frames of the mouse on the high refresh rate monitor?

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[–] LemmyIsFantastic 22 points 1 year ago

You almost certainly have the settings screwed up. Your eyes worked have to be royally fucked to not see a 60 to 165 jump.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You may have to set the refresh rate manually to go higher than 60hz. Things should look much smoother.

Run 'xrandr -q' and see if it gives you multiple refresh rates for your displays.

Also, what GPU are you using?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

RX 6600 on fedora 38 (a extension I like isn't on 39 yet)

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[–] voracitude 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

How are you testing? You can run the UFO test for a quick and dirty comparison: https://www.testufo.com/

More subjectively, you could load up a game you know well and start it at 30FPS. Wave your mouse around a bit looking for blurring or artefacting, then step it up to test 60, 90, 120, etc to see if you can tell the difference.

When you say "settings", did you check the settings on the monitor menus too? And in your graphics card settings, outside the game?

What cable is connecting your monitor to your PC?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’ll never forget when I went from 60hz to 165hz, everything seemed so fluid and smooth. I couldn’t imagine going back.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Is it possible that there are ghosting issues with the panel? I had a 120hz monitor at work at one point that had ghosting issues so bad it made it look barely any better than a 60hz panel. Going from 60hz to 120hz+ should definitely be noticeable to most people

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Have you checked this?

https://www.testufo.com/

I find this one especially telling (180hz here)

https://www.testufo.com/framerates-text

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, i can barely tell thé difference

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

How old are you? I'm nearing 40 and can't see the difference between 60 and 120 on my phone

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Whip the mouse back and forth quickly, it's the only time it's visible really.

[–] rigatti 4 points 1 year ago

Also gaming...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I am totally with you. I have had a 144Hz monitor for 2 years now. I am 100% sure that everything was configured correctly and I could spot some small differences in the UFO test. But other than that I do not feel any differences in day-to-day activities or games. Windows reset my frequency settings occasionally, but I never noticed it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I have used https://github.com/Nixola/VRRTest before to check the refresh frequency. I use X11 and wanted to check if my 144Hz monitors work with my older 60Hz one. Set the test mode to squares and the frame rate to twice your monitor's refresh rate. You should see every second square light up. If this is not the case, play around with the frame rate in the program until every second square lights up.

I can't see the difference either though. Yes, the mouse moves a bit quicker if I pay attention to it. But I do not care or notice, to be honest.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

If you have a phone that does high rate slo-mo you can video record the screen when you switch modes and see if the rate is actually changing or not. Have an object moving around the screen while you're recording the switch. Note that I've not tried this myself, I'm just working off of theory.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My experience of 144hz is that in terms of seeing a difference, it's not much. I mostly see it when looking around a scene and the movement is more fluid. However, what you can notice isn't as much as what makes a difference in games.

I tried the dust2 awp test map on 60hz and 144hz. The difference with how many I could hit with 144hz was not down to chance and was quite repeatable. I think (and it's just a layman theorizing here) that unconsciously our muscle memory, or hand/eye co-ordination are working on cues beyond what we consciously see. And this is why it helps for split second game decisions like this.

My opinion is, if you cannot see the difference consciously and you don't play FPS then maybe you should de-prioritize refresh rates over other monitor features. There's nothing wrong with that.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I'm also unable to see the difference directly, but everything just feels more snappy. If you can't feel it, maybe you have some extra latency from somewhere else

[–] HeyJoe 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Me being super jealous of everyone here going to 144 or 165 when I just upgraded my pc a few months ago to finally use 120 on my current ultrawide monitor.

All I can say is even 120 from 60 was amazing and very obvious. As someone else said the biggest wow moment was just moving desktop items around and it being super smooth.

I do know there are a bunch of settings you may need to change to make sure your using the correct settings above 60. Check the advanced display settings which should list out all resolutions with refresh rate to pick. Sometimes monitors need to be set. Sometimes the driver software for the GPU has options for it listed. I know on mine I had to have freesync enabled as well. Lots of variables that may keep it from being set correctly to check. I remember setting up my audio equipment and you think your using everything correctly then realize your advanced settings had an option set to like 44 bit rate instead of at least something more reasonable like 192.

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[–] plague_sapiens 4 points 1 year ago

Check your mouse cursor by moving fastly left to right and back and again. With 60 Hz you'll see 5-6 cursor renders (depending on your distance obviously) and with 100 Hz it should be double that. 144hz a lot more cursor renders appear. White cursor, black background or inverted for better visibility. Thats my fast check to see if the settings are correctly set.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm 100% sure if the majority of people in here claiming they see the difference were actually tested, they'd fail it. Something like

  • 60Hz, 120Hz, 144Hz, 165Hz, 200Hz
  • multiple game scenes and clips:
    • varying FPS ranging from 29 to 320fps
    • quiet and busy (not much stuff happening vs a lot of stuff happening)
    • slow and fast camera or background movements

Take the Cartesian product of that for all the different possibilities and play them a random set thereof. Maybe 20 or so.

It's just like screen resolution. If you sit at arms length or further away from your screen (which you should) and increase the resolution of your screen, everything becomes smaller (icons, text, images). That means you'll have to scale them up to be at the same size as when they were at a lower resolution.
Also, at a certain distance, you become unable to spot details of a certain size --> you physically will not be able to see the different between 1080p, 2k, and 4k from that distance. It's called visual acuity. I bet you, if you put did a similar test as above with video resolution, screen resolution, screen size, and distance from screen, the majority would start do much worse than they think they can.

It's mostly marketing and "bigger number = better" think.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You might not notice anything at first, but after some days of gaming and then going back, you'll probably notice the difference then.

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