Imagine thinking you can have private property without a central government to enforce it
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You don’t need a government, you just need violence
And what is a government but legitimized violence?
Pooling ressources for community services and works.
I agree with you there. My point is that a government is not needed to have private property. Governments are inherently violent, but you can be violent without a government.
Where is the line drawn between a government and a legitimized systemic form of violence?
There is no line, legitimate violence is just one of the services a government is expected to perform
It's only "expected" to perform other services because its violence prevents us from doing those things apart from it.
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Government is top down.
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What do you do when your neighbor is more violent than you?
Bend over
I used to think I was tough and crazy, until I met some tough and crazy motherfuckers.
Defend myself? I’m not sure I get your point.
And that's a world you want to live in? Where you have to defend yourself from violent people? The point was not what if your neighbor is more violent, I just said that because it worked well as a response, and most people would understand. What about when your neighbor is more capable of inflicting violence? More skilled with firefights, or physically stronger? The powerful end up with all the stuff.
How is that any different with capitalism now? The state just legitimizes that, it doesn’t stop anything. Private property and the state need to go.
Same shit different names
It's called livin' in da toolshed ⚒️
Yeahhh it'll be great. It's basically anarchism except all the power systematically flows to one person
"It's anarchism... that I run!"
A bourgeoise of the proletariat, wait
it's Dr Horrible's turn!
Thanks for the only comment that wasn't annoying. I miss that era of the internet. Feeling doomed used to be edgy.
Oh you mean real world in practice of anarchy like in Somalia.
Anarchy is very pretty on books, in reality this is the best outcome possible after a few years escalate and after a few centuries we are back to empires fighting against each other
You're only saying that because every time an anarchist group gains a foothold, it is forced to exist at the pleasure of more powerful states who view it in terms of profit.
If the crux of your argument is “Everytime anarchism happens it is too weak to protext itself from foreign influence.” Then you have a weak governmental system.
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So except for all the inherent problems of existing in non-ideal conditions and outside of isolation
I think that's part of their point.
do you know where your food comes from, are you aware the world resources are not infinite.
Or do I need to explain why everyone can't own their own house on the beach because there's is only so much costline(not to mention the environmental coats)
Explain how early human society didn't start with anarchy exactly?...how exactly do you expect an anarchist group to survive if you and the other guys from other group both need food but there is barely enough to feed one group.
Do that and replace food by whatever you want
Salary? Money? Without a government?
Gotta promise them something until you get your military up and running.
During the years of Spanish provinces in America, some small banks would own the entire land and pay the locals using their own currency only print by them, 1 coin equals 1 day of labor which was nearly enough for 2 meals, then the Spanish kingdom would forgive the landowners taxes if the locals were forced into Christian religion.
And how exactly would one enforce communist principles? What if someone starts hoarding resources?
You refuse to do the labor needed for their hoarding. You should really learn about models of ownership-by-use. People just aren't capable of protecting/maintaining/using that much personally.
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