It claims at one point that vapes are being marketed as "nicotine-free" "despite containing nicotine" and then links to another article on their own site that makes the claim that vapes marketed as "nicotine-free" "most likely still contain nicotine" to support that assertion.

This definitely doesn't belong in a science community.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Additionally, there are nicotine free vapes and they're easy to identify if you spend 5 seconds looking at what you're buying. This is just another hit piece against vaping, citing itself as a reputable source, and making absolutely no point. They don't really say anything meaningful and instead just waive their hands around, acting as if what they're saying is troublesome. Even their headline is misleading and vapid.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Wait, aside from THC vapes what other nicotine free vapes are there? I'm assuming they're for people trying to quit?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There are many options that are the same flavor as a regular nicotine vape, but they're 0mg nicotine. Yes, for people quitting, or for people who just like vape but not nicotine.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's kinda neat actually. Prolly still not great for your lungs though lol, and I say this as a stoner

[–] scottywh 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I vaped 0 nicotine with peppermint flavor for about a year or so after I tapered down from the highest possible nicotine I could find using a box mod.

I've only been completely off the vape now for about 2 months but I allowed myself about 6 years to eventually work down to the 0 nicotine mix and I feel zero negative effects on my lungs. (Anecdotal, of course.)

I really only finally quit because I lost my favorite vape and decided I didn't really miss it all that much.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I definitely feel it on my lungs, but it's not anywhere near as damaging as cigarettes were.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yup.

On par with any war on drugs funded prohibitionist drivel.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Yeah they even included the fearmongering tropes about colorful packaging and stores being near schools.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

"They clearly are marketing directly to children!"

Bitch, I better never see you eating a piece of candy again in your life.

Raisin bran and black coffee only for you for the rest of your life, since according to you a) adults aren't allowed to like tasty things and b) noone is allowed to ingest something unhealthy.

Fuck, there is a strong argument that the cotton candy is worse for you than the cotton candy vape juice (provided its an actual non-black-market well made vape juice, and not the shit the Chinese black market has been spreading that is full of heavy metals).

[–] Indie59 1 points 10 months ago

Raisin Bran has more sugar than many “kids” breakfast cereals, so it’s even more hypocritical.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

If you live in a decent city then everything is near schools. Schools should be sprinkled throughout your community, providing ease of access for people in different parts of town.

[–] Xanthrax 44 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That makes no sense. You buy cigarettes the same way you buy a vape. This is click bait.

[–] SARGEx117 10 points 10 months ago

Not just clickbait, either. Straight up lies.

They cite their own article, INCORRECTLY I might add, to say "nicotine free vapes aren't nicotine free".

I mean, if this is the scientific standard people listen to nowadays, I have some bridges that need selling. scientifically

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

As George Carlin said, young people buy nicotine products because they relieve stress. I was on my way to quitting (cigarettes > vape > much less vape) when the pan hit. I kept vaping cause I allowed myself a comfort. I’m still vaping. I’m in my 40s.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

They do provide the brief illusion of stress relief, but physiologically they pretty much do the opposite by getting you into chronic nicotine withdrawals.

[–] dag__ 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm very lucky that nicotine just makes me feel nauseous and sick, it's also really uncomfortable to inhale.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

That was my experience with the first two or three cigarettes I had. It went away very quickly. I smoked for seven years and thankfully have now been smoke-free longer than that.

[–] Harvey656 9 points 10 months ago

Get this guardian crap out of here.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

You can ban the bad thing or ban medical care for bad things because of the bad thing. 🤷‍♂️

[–] Dipsas 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Doesn't Austalia have a zero tolerance campain against cigararettes? Could vape be the only alternative for some people?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Other way around, banning non-medical use vapes while making cigarettes prohibitively expensive via taxes. The UK on the other hand is banning cigarette sales to those born on or after 1/1/09.

[–] m3t00 4 points 10 months ago

Sounds reasonable and not a Daily Mail link. 47 up/27 down. Thought I read Big Nic was diversifying into addictive foods beyond nicotine.

[+] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I dont get it. Big tobacco owns the vaping industry. So why would they sponsor an article that makes availability seem bad?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Also, smoking had been on the down trend among newer generations? So vaping is a potentially good hook to lead to cigarettes among newer generations. Will be an interesting study on the impact of newer generations as opposed to the older ones who are using it as quitting aids.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is absurd. Nobody is starting with vaping and then progressing on to cigarettes. Cigarettes taste like shit and they make you stink. This is coming from someone who kicked a decade+ cigarette addiction with vaping.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

I grew up with people who didn't smoke, but later picked up the habit after vaping. So it's why I was wondering about studies over anecdotal evidence whether it be yours or mine.

I don't care what people choose to do with their bodies. More curiosity over in market shifts and what type of new consumers are emerging.