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[–] kamenlady 97 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is genocide by the book. After almost 2 decades of being kept poor & isolated, comes in an ultra modern army to do exactly what?

I'm German and anti Hamas.

Where's the fight against Hamas taking place, btw? There should be footage of destroyed Hamas stuff or some dead Hamas Soldiers to be seen, or am i missing something?

Israel has been bombarding for days

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where do you think Hamas is hiding???

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Hiding" doesn't justify killing civilians.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Above commenter asked where the fight with Hamas is taking place.

[–] JGrffn 5 points 1 year ago

But that's not fighting, that's exterminating.

[–] WhiteHawk 5 points 1 year ago

How would you be able to tell the difference between a dead hamas soldier and a dead civilian? They don't carry weapons all the time, you know, and terrorist organizations don't exactly wear uniforms.

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[–] shalafi 89 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Bear with me a bit, if you will. There's a sharp point, at least I think so.

If you've never lived on the ground for a disaster like a hurricane or tornado, it's worse than any picture or video can depict. I wept in the street, on my knees, the morning after Hurricane Ivan. It was 10AM, a cool, leafless autumn morning, but it had been summer 12-hours earlier. 10 of those hours was darkness and that nonstop goddamned freight train sound.

"My god, what happened to my new city?" Had no notion of the blast radius, all I could see was what I could see. Watched the blue fireworks of exploding transformers all night. Still didn't hit me. Thinking I was on my own, I wept a bit when the Guard rolled in. "We're getting help?! What? Why? How?"

After living though Ivan, I cried my eyes out seeing what happened to my neighbors in southern Mississippi after Katrina. And then I went and saw for myself. My poor words cannot do justice.

My father-in-law, after picking up a pair of Bronze Stars in Iraq, came home and fought his way through to save those people. They sawed fucking houses in half to open the roads. This old white man was so fond of his memories, showing us pictures of the little black kids they gave salvaged Walmart bikes to. He looked like a proud papa. And then he disintegrated.

He was fine after Iraq, held it together. His Katrina PTSD led him to leave his wife of 32-years and ignore his only child, blew his family apart.

And here's the tip of the spear:

This is an order of magnitude worse. This isn't some blameless natural disaster. These aren't first-world country folks, cranking up the gennies, sharing what they got with anyone in need, pulling together in the face of tragedy. This is a modern nation state purposefully and with malice aforethought conducting genocide on a weaker neighbor. National Guard ain't rolling in for these folks. They're truly on their own.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Damn bro I feel that. Thanks for sharing 😔

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (56 children)

Can someone give me the straight talk on why western countries, who usually at least try to look like they have the moral high ground, are falling all over themselves in support of Israel?

What is the non-conspiracy nutter reason why the US feels the need to provide billions of dollars in support to Israel?

Clearly actions on both sides are reprehensible, some more-so than others. There's no goodies and baddies here. There's aggressors, innocents, and victims on all sides.

[–] gmtom 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because Israel is ultimately a problem created by western nations like the UK and US, have more similar culture to the west and are their strategic partner for the area whereas the arab nations are traditionally backed by Russia. So they basically HAVE to give them unconditional support to Israel or lose their influence on the region.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

War is about resources. USA and Britain don't give a shit about giving the land (that they stole from Palestinians) to Jewish people. Israel and Saudi Arabia are their only ways to project power in the region to have leverage against countries with more oil.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There's the historic precedent that people have already discussed here.

There's the very effective Israeli lobby, which has integrated itself into many different governments.

There's the fact that Israel is pro-western, in the Middle East, so they serve Western interests. They can be the foil for Western influence in the Middle East, without directly implicating the West. Need a weapon site bombed in Iran? Israel will do it. This is probably the biggest reason.

The country of Israel has integrated itself into the Western global intelligence Network, especially in terms of special operations, and special intelligence gathering tools, and a weapon supplier for missile defense, drone defense etc. For all intents and purposes their military ally for the west.

The West has a bias against Muslims, and Islam. Not necessarily a deliberate bias, but there is a bias. There is a reluctance for full trust. Israel is a religious country, based on Judaism, which makes them more palatable for Western people to think about.

All that being said, is Western support guaranteed? No. At the international level real politic is extremely fickle, you have to continue to be useful. If another country with better trade-off showed up in the region, it's very likely they would also receive this Western appreciation.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago

"War isn't Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse. There are no innocent bystanders in Hell. War is chock full of them - little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for some of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander." -- MAS*H

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

If Israel's genocidal campaign is actually halted (likely temporarily), the lingering effects of this bombing campaign will continue to claim lives. There will be an increase in premature deaths, at least until Israel decides to complete its final solution. Weapons manufacturers and those who use their products aren't known for "green" initiatives.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

So far a lot of the news coverage on here about the israel-palestine conflict is from aljazeera. Why is that?

[–] gmtom 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would imagine because in the west there is a ton of pressure to side with Israel no matter what, to the point people are losing their jobs for showing any support for Palestine or being critical of Israels actions.

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[–] febra 4 points 1 year ago

Reminds me of Mariupol.

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