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[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Best of all, the Vancouver study concluded that doing so actually reduces government spending.

Makes you wonder about the people dead set against this sort of thing

[–] CheeseNoodle 15 points 11 months ago

Its not about cost effectiveness its about being punitive.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Unfortunately, quite a lot of people only feel self worth through others misery. You could give them everything, but if others didn't have less they'd be miserable.

[–] GeneralVincent 7 points 11 months ago

They've likely associated homelessness with drug use, and drug use with a moral failing. Or they just don't have any empathy at all and are ignorant of the benefits we all get from helping those in need.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

Yes, but you see this policy isn't cruel enough to be implemented by the christian right

[–] alienanimals 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The only people against UBI are rich assholes and people who wish they were rich assholes.

[–] DougHolland 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hey, I wish I was a rich asshole, and I'd love to see UBI.

[–] alienanimals 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Honestly, your comment is great on many levels. I bet you'll get rich one day.

[–] DougHolland 0 points 11 months ago

Seems unlikely at my age, but I do take checks.

[–] Wilzax 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Cool, now make it happen for everyone with no questions asked. Then we cut out the overhead of seeing if you qualify and stop people from complaining about how it incentivises you to be lazy.

No level of effort will make you earn less than you did before, as can happen when you earn enough that you no longer qualify for the programs that let you take the first steps out of poverty. But it will still be cheaper for the government (and therefore the taxpayer) at the end of the day because we won't be wasting as many resources trying to heal people who are only sick because they were suffering extreme poverty, or are only addicts because it's the only way to make their practically hopeless living situation slightly more bearable, or are only unemployed because every job makes them earn too much to stay on SNAP benefits or Medicaid (US examples, I know, but I'm willing to bet similar Catch-22s exist near you).

[–] DougHolland 4 points 11 months ago

"No questions asked" is brilliant.

The people who need aid most — any kind of alleged aid program — are not capable of navigating the proof and paperwork maze. That's not accidental, it's cost control. All aid programs should be as close to "no questions asked" as feasible.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Portland you ready?