Memes

Why does anyone think Israel was there first??? Lmfao. Their own Torah says otherwise.

"God gave this to us" isn't a legitimate argument.

I mean, the US sucks, but they don't just support settler colonial states for its own sake. They support Israel because it's strategically useful to have a US friendly state in the middle east that's small enough that they will basically do what we say (unlike Saudi Arabia). Also a significant portion of Republicans in congress think that Israel/Palestine being controlled by Jews is a necessary precondition for the Rapture. The US is more indifferent to the genocide of the Palestinians than anything, which imo is just as bad, but it's important to look at the material causes for things instead of just saying "these two countries have similar ideologies so they'll be allies".

This might surprise you but the bible isn't 100% accurate.

Jokes aside: scholars think that the Israelites were a group of Canaanites who lived as "outcasts" in the hinterlands and seized the cities after the bronze age collapse.

So Israelites came when the Canaanites collapsed but the causality is different than depicted in the bible. Also they weren't that foreign in the first place.

Pushed out? You mean committed mass genocide.

This is an honest question, is Wikipedia just wrong on that? Because there they write that Palestine also expelled all Jews and that they moved to Israel for that reason (because they weren't allowed in Palestine). And also they write that Hamas specifically want all Jews to be gone.

If Wikipedia is wrong, where do you get your information from?

I understand and appreciate you trying to learn. I think one of the issues why nobody can really point you to a good resource is that there are no 100% neutral resources that document "the conflict". Even just where/when you start something like a timeline can be biased.

Keeping all that in mind I have found a video that gives a short simplified summary of the base history.

https://youtu.be/1wo2TLlMhiw?si=_ANEgker8DzQZQxR

I liked it (might be part of my bias since I like crash course). But I'm sure there are mistakes in there and as above some details/framing might just be due to biases of the author's/presenters etc.

If you want a book, 100 Years War on Palestine does an excellent job going over everything up to 2017.

Very in-depth, full picture of everything that's happened from 1917 (what just about everyone considers to be the beginning of the modern conflict), including errors and crimes committed by both sides. The author is Palestinian and obviously not neutral, but is far from extremist, and comes at things with a historical/academic rigor.

There are many other books/resources of course, but at least as far as getting a decent idea of what actually happened thus far, it's a very good history of the conflict, major players and the geopolitics associated.

I agree that Jews have been horribly persecuted for millenia. I understand that a bunch of countries decided that there needed to be a Jewish state to protect Jews from further persecution. The part that I don't understand is why did these countries give them land that was already settled by someone else? Why didn't these countries give them their own land?

The way I understand it now would be like me arguing that homeless individuals have been persecuted enough and they need their own home. Therefore, me and my friends have agreed that they can have my neighbor's house without my neighbor's consent.

The one argument I've heard is that the land was the ancestral home of the Jewish people. However, it seems hypocritical to me if this argument holds true for the Levant but not all of the Americas. To maintain integrity and congruence based on this argument, then I'd think Israel would be highly allied with the Native Americans to help them get their ancestral home back. Because this isn't the case, it seems to me that I have been misinformed about or misunderstood the reasoning behind giving Jewish people this land. So, what is the actual reason for this specific land??

I really just don't get it.

Note: I am not arguing that...

• Jews haven't been persecuted

• there shouldn't be a Jewish state

• Palestinians/Hamas are right in attacking Israel

• Israel can't defend itself

• Palestinians should be able to defend themselves

• innocent people haven't died

• anything about religion

• anything about terrorism

• whatever else someone might assume and get heated about

I really just want to understand the reasoning with valid congruence.

What you said would justify Israel's violence ONLY IF ALL PALESTINIANS AGREED. They do not. Pretending it's OK to run a reverse-genocide because Jews had it rough in the past is frankly pathetic. Beyond pathetic.

Do you know any Palestinians? My wife worked for a couple that were forced to leave, good highly educated folks. The wife was an attorney, when Isreal was formed she was told her law degree was worthless. She went to school, got an Israeli law degree, was then told she needed to speak Hebrew. She went back to school, learned Hebrew, was then told lol nah you can't actually practice law now. Shorty after their house was seized, it had an olive orchard that had been in their family for generations.

It goes largely unnoticed by them that Israel has never once been given the opportunity to have a peace with the Palestinians with any deal in which the Palestinians did not secure Israel’s total destruction.

That's not how imperialism works friendo.

Of which the Israelites are believed to have branched out from/are descended from