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Ukraine’s Zelensky on ‘horrible’ Hamas attack: ‘Israel’s right to self-defense is unquestionable’ (www.timesofisrael.com)
submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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[–] ilmagico 78 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"Every life is valuable! We condemn all forms of terrorism"

Zelenski has to walk a fine line ... on one end, he needs support from Israel, on the other, he knows Israel is an occupier just like Russia, so he cannot even show too much support. And so, he condemn "all forms of terrorism", implying that Ukraine, unlike Hamas, is not resorting to (too much) terrorism to fight back ... between a rock and a hard place there.

Or he could just condemn Israel and lose their support, in exchange for "the moral high ground" and avoiding hypocrisy, but that never won any war. I don't envy him.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

Man what a game of political minesweeper eh fucking hell

[–] takeda 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Seems like the whole conflict was created by English who promised both Jews and Palestinians the same land when they help them.

[–] ilmagico 2 points 1 year ago

I don't doubt it, but based on UN resolutions, there is clearly only one country occupying another.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The English cannot blame the french invaders in 1066 for their land problems. At some point, a generation or so, imo, your problems are your own. You night not have created them but you can sure choose to solve them or not.

The people living in Gaza are not savages, they are capable of sophisticated governance. They choose not to exercise that faculty and instead voted and continue to approve of violence and never-ending revenge.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think the implication is rather that he equates invaders with terrorists. Of course Ukraine has the right to fight back, which is not terrorism.

So maybe he drew the parallel differently, placing Ukraine on one side with Israel.

[–] bouh 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He calls Russia terrorist because they engage in a war of terror, attacking the citizens of Ukraine purposefully rather than sticking to military objectives.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Right, he's not calling Russia terrorists simply for invading and attacking, but for how they do it. Thanks.

I still think the comparison is rather Ukraine/Israel vs Russia/Hamas, especially since both Hamas and Russia purposefully attack civilians.

[–] avater 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

on the other hand, russia has asked both to cease fire immediately...the irony in that is beyond anything

[–] takeda 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hamas had recent visits with Moscow. Wouldn't be surprised at all if they had something to do with it, to distract west from Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Invader proposes to accept the new borders.

Invadee proposes to restore original borders.

Sounds like normal things to say in either position

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't think Zelensky has a choice in this matter, Israel provides aid and Ukraine needs all the support it can get.

Also fuck Hamas. I am not pro Israel, I think what they do in Gaza could and should be called a genocide, but Hamas is not helping matters. They are using innocent palestinians as human shields and keeping themselves in power with nothing but violence.

[–] givesomefucks 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/8/ukraines-zelenskyy-and-israels-netanyahu-discuss-israeli-support-for-kyiv

Sad, but not unsurprising that Israel would demand press releases like this for aid.