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Plex behind cloudflare tunnel (lemmy.ml)
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I currently have my Plex server open to the world. I realise that's probably not best practice, so I'm trying to find a solution that can work for me.

I've been looking at cloudflare tunnels and it seems like thats probably what I want. Giving me access to my home server from outside. And it's free, which is a nice perk

I've noticed however that the terms of service don't allow for video streaming, but is allowed in the paid tier. Before I commit to spending money, I'm curious if it's even technically possible. Plex tends to phone home to allow users to authenticate and locate their servers, so is that possible through tunnels?

Is this a waste of time? Is there a better solution? How are others dealing with this problem?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’ve noticed however that the terms of service don’t allow for video streaming

I may be wrong, but are you sure that's still the case?
There used to be clause 2.8

...Use of the Services for serving video or a disproportionate percentage of pictures, audio files, or other non-HTML content is prohibited, unless purchased separately as part of a Paid Service...

However this has been removed from the current version of ToS: https://www.cloudflare.com/terms/

Again, I may be wrong, I am often wrong, it's possible I missed something ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] billwashere 9 points 1 year ago

I agree … it sure looks gone to me.

Interesting.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

So far this is the only place I've seen mentioned regarding video streaming, that is still up anyway:

https://developers.cloudflare.com/support/more-dashboard-apps/cloudflare-stream/delivering-videos-with-cloudflare/

It's not entirely clear and I don't know if this is outdated or not.

I was using their proxy for video streaming for a while, but stopped cause I would rather not risk it. Maybe for personal use it could be ok

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you want a free solution, wireguard and tailscale are your friends. It you're willing to pay, get a cheap VPS (the one I use for this is from RackNerd for ~$12/yr). It'll make the process very user friendly if you're planning to share it with others.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tailscale is another one I've heard of but haven't looked much into it.

This article put me off a bit. Seems like an unnecessarily complicated setup https://www.jjpdev.com/posts/plex-media-server-tailscale/

That racknerd price for a vps sounds too good to be true!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You don't actually need to do reverse proxy while using tailscale. You can just use ports as if you're on a local network.

The price is super low, but it's been very reliable. Will highly recommend. You can see their current offers here.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can just use ports as if you're on a local network.

This is the bit I find confusing. Doesn't Plex need that port to be open to the outside world?

Or is your setup only open to devices on your private tailscale network and therefore seeing it as local?

If that's the case, I'll need to see if tailscale can work with osmc, since that's what I have running on my raspi behind my tv

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For tailscale/wireguard, you just need to open the port in your machine as if you're using it locally. No need to forward port in your router. For all intents and purposes, you can treat all devices in your tailscale network as if they were local devices.

[–] Alk 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have my plex accessible from outside, but only to plex users I add. It's not like anyone can just get my IP and watch my content.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are many crawlers, and I'm confident at least a couple have tried to connect to your server (unless you have an IP firewall, or if you've changed Plex Media Sever's default port, in which case significantly less likely).

I assume it's not really about them watching content, but to avoid them exploiting any possible PMS bugs.

[–] keyez 2 points 1 year ago

I have plex open on my pfsense to US only IPs and see lots of requests blocked from overseas crawlers and some curls from the US, I moved it to a different external port and nothing but expected traffic after that.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Plex isn't allowed on Cloudflare. Itll work, but you'll get your account flagged.

Use Tailscale instead.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Personally I'd just spin up a wireguard container with a GUI, user friendly and you can add anyone to your VPN in like 2 minutes wherever you are.

Most advanced part would be forwarding port 51820

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:

Fewer Letters More Letters
IP Internet Protocol
Plex Brand of media server package
VPN Virtual Private Network
VPS Virtual Private Server (opposed to shared hosting)

4 acronyms in this thread; the most compressed thread commented on today has 7 acronyms.

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[–] MonitorZero 1 points 1 year ago

Good bot

[–] camr_on 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

My understanding is that cloudflare will block you from doing this if/when they detect you doing it, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Off the top of my head, would a tailscale funnel work for what you want? Serving Plex to the Internet without port forwarding?

Actually with Plex, I'm not sure you even need to expose it at all. People can reach your server via the Plex app as long as it's connected to Plex servers, they don't need to reach the site actually hosted on your hardware

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Without direct connection, PMS uses Plex Relays, which limit streams to like 320p.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pretty sure it needs at least one port forwarded to make use of plex remotely

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, there's the one open port that is required. Otherwise your traffic gets routed through Plex servers and the streams are limited to pretty poor quality video

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I really should look into these cloudflare tunnels people keep speaking of. A simple enough solution is to host a VPN server of your choice with cert and pass and it'll make it pretty well impossible to reach by anyone without the required creds.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Just make sure you keep in mind that security with Cloudflare is not 100%, you may need to do a bit more on your ends to keep things locked down.

https://thehackernews.com/2023/10/researcher-reveal-new-technique-to.html?m=1

I’m not entirely sure this affects Tunnels, but it’s good to make sure if you plan to use that service.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That was recently discovered , I am certain that Cloudfare will fix it as soon as possible.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I agree that they will probably resolve this sooner than later, I prefer Cloudflare for a lot of things. I point this out because if you are working with sensitive/personal data that you want secure, you may want to do some due diligence to make sure it stays secure.