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Oklahoma superintendent vows to 'fight the radical myth of separation of church and state' (www.rawstory.com)
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Oklahoma State Superintendent Ryan Walters on Tuesday vowed to bring Christian prayer back into his state's public schools and suggested that the notion of church-state separation in the United States was a "myth."Writing on Twitter, Walters linked to a story about a recent speech he delivered to th...

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[–] Changetheview 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dude, just go to a private district. It’s really not that hard in the US to enjoy your religious fantasies. No reason to become a traitor over it. Hell, there’s usually more money for those schools and leaders too!

Separation of church and state is what allows you to go do whatever the hell you want in the name of your beliefs. The only catch is that you can’t force it on others. Not a bad deal.

Yet these nuts can’t comprehend how lucky they are to have this ability. And they’ll likely scream and yell about how some heathen society is trying to take over their kids.

[–] Sterile_Technique 12 points 1 year ago

"But I want -you- to follow -my- religion!"

[–] Sylver 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

He claims it is a myth, yet it is clearly written plain as day. On a document that has been passed down for generations.

What other long-standing documents does he not believe in I wonder? Does he apply the same logic to his Bible myths?

Cognitive dissonance, example 1.

[–] shalafi -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Written where exactly? A letter by Thomas Jefferson does not constitute law.

The phrase many Americans use to describe religious freedom, “separation of church and state” is not found in either the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. It comes from an 1802 letter by President Thomas Jefferson.

Courts have rightly, IMHO, judged the 1A to include the notion, but let's not pretend it's quoted in the Constitution or Bill of Rights.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's literally the first line of the first amendment to the bill of rights written in 1789, dawg. Get with it.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.

Badaboom!

[–] shalafi -5 points 1 year ago

That does not include the words "separation of church and state". It has been interpreted to mean that. Yet everyone in here acting like it's written into law.

[–] Sylver 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Establishment Clause

It does not literally spell out church and state separation, but that’s the clause in question to debate

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Dude must have 0 reading comprehension.

Him being the best Oklahoma has to offer doesn't surprise me in the least.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

They're trying to cost the school system money from the lawsuits. Their goal is to destroy public education.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've lived in OK. It's a shithole state that deserves to be nuked from orbit. Nothing of value there.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It's the only way to be sure.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

As someone currently living in OK, I approve this message.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Thomas Jefferson is rolling in his grave over this dude's opinion of the First Amendment.

[–] shalafi -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And where did you read the phrase "separation of church and state"? Constitutional chapter and verse please.

So who's reading comprehension is off? Look, we know the courts uphold the 1A to include the idea, but it's not written directly into law. That's this guy's angle.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

In the more detailed explanation Jefferson had to give of the first amendment after some people couldn't comprehend the simple English in the first sentence. That you still have trouble grasping it does not mean it isn't there, even if those exact words aren't used in the document.

[–] Tolstoshev 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He’ll be outed as a pedophile within 5 years is my bet.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Either that or cheating on his wife, beating his kids, or beating his wife and kids

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I know this is absolutely remedial, but since I don't see it posted here yet:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Courts have repeatedly found that "Congress" in the First Amendment extends to any governmental authority.

[–] morphballganon 17 points 1 year ago

So he's a terrorist?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Someone fight to get this guys wife a clean cell phone, $10,000 cash and a safe window to flee.

[–] ManosTheHandsOfFate 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This line of thinking comes from some dodgy, and relatively new, Christian dominion theology. These people need to also be attacked on their own terms. In John 18:36 Jesus said “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”

[–] TrismegistusMx 7 points 1 year ago

The people trying to bring back the Roman Empire would kill Christ for a second time.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Getting some weird Handmaids Tale vibes …

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

The founders were radical? Okay, sure, whatever. You want to fill your kids' heads with religious ideology, send them to a private school. Honestly.

[–] Shanedino 2 points 1 year ago

Thought this might be a myth in the sense that there isn't a huge divide in state in church...