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[–] skhayfa 98 points 1 year ago (1 children)

16 millions vacant houses across the US, not counting the empty offices buildings. 11 millions houses empty in Europe. In both cases enough vacancy to houses the homeless population and more.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A big thing is where are those homes located? Are they near social services? Are they near jobs? Skills training? Is putting a homeless person in them with no income going to allow said homeless person to build a life?

Most homeless go to cities where there are social services, and lots of people around so they can beg for an income. Most empty houses are not in cities.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yes, many of those homes are located in or near cities. Of course more public transportation is needed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Have these homeless people been offered houses in small towns and they refused? Feels like a lot of assumptions are being made here

[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's a good thing, right? It means there is no homelessness in the entire country, right?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not so great if large aspects of your economic growth is tied to the real estate market. Theoretically the value of property is tied in some way to scarcity. If there is an abundance of housing, then there's not a real reason for property value to mature.

If the rate of maturity is less than the rate of this inflation, then you are no longer creating an investment, you are creating debt. If a property investment group, a private bank, or state bank has over invested too heavily in developing the real estate market....... there's a pretty good chance that it's going to have a hard time remaining in solvency.

This is an example of why a lot of people accuse the CCP of giving up on communism after the Deng reforms. Satiating the needs of the market too often conflicts with the needs of the people.

Theoretically in a planned economy you would be correct. There's no motivation too build too many homes, nor is there is there a scarcity of homes. Both scenario are conditions of a capitalist market reacting to the perceived needs of the consumer or the market.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Real estate speculators make too many buildings, property values fall, people can buy homes, and everyone wins. Right? Oh, except for real estate speculators, but who cares about them anyway.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In a planned economy, it wouldn't be unexpected to over-build. In fact, it perfectly makes sense, same as we would over produce a small surplus of anything. Housing isn't ten I to create, and so having reserves ready for use when they're needed in the future is a good thing. It may be bad from capitalism perspective, because you aren't getting a great return on the investment yet. But from a planned economy perspective it's good.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

In a planned economy, it wouldn't be unexpected to over-build. In fact

I wouldn't call that over building though, and that wouldn't explain hundreds of millions of extra homes. Building that aren't being used begin to break down quite rapidly.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Right?! Love how the article frames it as a bad thing because it doesn't make sense from a capitalist standpoint.

[–] anewbeginning 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (25 children)

It certainly isn’t capitalist to have such an insane gap between offer and supply. If lack of offer is a problem, the issues with such enormous oversupply are even greater. Just wasteful. Damaging to the environment. And introduces a lot of economic woes.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Ah yes, because housing as a right rather than an investment is a bad thing.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Who do you think built all of those houses? Capitalists who were speculating on real estate.

[–] bouh 0 points 1 year ago

Just no. It's something libs seemingly can't understand : you need surplus to face problems and adapt to a changing situation or a crisis without people dying. Problem is that libs care more about money than people, so they seek an equilibrium where supply is right below demand so the capitalists can exploit the people.

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[–] severien 18 points 1 year ago (13 children)

It's a problem for people who indebted themselves to buy those homes with a valuation based on scarcity. Also a problem for the real estate Chinese companies, sector which represents a quarter of Chinese economy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

people who indebted themselves to buy those homes with a valuation based on scarcity.

Too... bad? That's how investments work. They don't always pan out to make you richer.

Something tells me everyone investing in this can afford to take the hit. They're just gonna be mad they can't rip people off.

[–] severien 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Something tells me everyone investing in this can afford to take the hit.

There are millions of ordinary Chinese taking an expensive mortgage now owning an unfinished apartment in a ghost town. It will hit the poorest the hardest - they still have to pay the mortgage, but can't even live in their apartments, because they are not finished.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Meanwhile, the rest of the world has a severe housing crisis and there is a global shortage of concrete sand aggregate.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If only they could send some to Canada. Probably the best ones, nobody's buying a house without insulation or functioning taps here.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


China's real-estate struggles rose to prominence in 2021, when industry giant Evergrande became the most indebted company in the world and defaulted.

At the time, there were at least 65 million vacant properties in the country, which would have been enough to house the entire population of France, Insider previously reported.

City's like Shenyang, in the country's northeast, were envisaged as new hot spots for China's ultra-rich, with flashy European-style villas.

Today, farmers have taken over the ghost town, plowing the land and letting cattle roam free around the empty mansions.

The government has since enacted efforts to move some of the country's top schools to the region, which has led to an influx of families and high-achieving students, bringing the population and real-estate prices up, Japanese publication Nikkei Asia reported in 2021.

Despite these efforts, Inner Mongolia, the autonomous region of China where Ordos is located, is still one of the slowest-growing areas of the country, per the report.


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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And yet China keeps populating these "ghost towns" over and over again. Almost like the term is nothing more than a xenophobic, alarmist misnomer.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

If this was five years ago, I'd agree with you. But the Chinese national government has been clamping down on new construction for the past few years. China is also experiencing almost no population growth.

There was always going to be a time for China to stop building housing because the supply would eventually outstrip demand. Now seems to be near that time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Holy shit everyone I think the MC's lie from Goodbye, Lenin is about to come true!

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