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[–] Argyle13 56 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I have worked as a freelance for around 14 years, from home. My husband, a developer, always had told me that he couldn,t work without his colleagues around. Then the pandemic come and he had to work from home for more than two years. He loved it. No distractions, no commuting (I think that is the worst), better environment to concentrate in silence....he didn,t want to go back to an office. Like never ever.

But then the company he worked for said that everybody had to go back to the office because that is what's the company wanted. My husband and the rest of his department got very angry. In three months, all the 10 people in it had gone to other remote works. The day my husband said he was leaving in three weeks was the last day of his immediate boss. So he gave notice to a higher boss, that had a big tantrum because he thought it was a workers plot.

It wasn,t, but seems that nobody has to be forced into the office if they can do better work elsewhere. Because they leave if they can. As a consequence they lost all their senior developers and two middle managers. My husband now is happy, works from home and travels to the office for meetings and things like that a two or three days every three months. He works for a big international company with people in remote in several countries. His prior company is struggling really hard to finde people to work for them. It is up to them: expert people on remote or junior people wanting experience to go remote later on other job.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Lol @ "he thought it was a worker's plot."

Capitalists are the fucking worst.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

A true leopards ate my face moment.

[–] Argyle13 1 points 1 year ago

Also, the ones thinking that they will inherit the company, like this one.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

expert people on remote or junior people wanting experience to go remote later on other job

This is what it's shaping up to be. Also, junior people understand that there is no real loyalty on the part of the company - they will replace or lay off staff at a moment's notice. And there is a real salary penalty for staying as studies have recently shown. (Also common sense and anecdotes from most everyone you know). Those junior people willing to be in the office will leave in a year or two for a WFH job elsewhere with a salary bump. If RTO /fulltime in the office companies want to keep them, they will have to compete salary-wise with WFH companies.

ETA: Here's a very interesting article on the permanent shift to remote work.

In 2022, 34 percent of workers over age 15 reported working at home vs. 69 percent in the workplace, dipping slightly from the previous year. [...] The pandemic spike in working from home was limited to college-educated workers, especially those with a bachelor’s degree or higher, about 54 percent of whom worked at home in 2022.

https://archive.ph/2023.06.23-054431/https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/2023/06/22/remote-work-family-socialization-time-use/

[–] Argyle13 2 points 1 year ago

Thank you for sharing, very interesting.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I on a 4/10 schedule, mostly work from home except 1 day a pay period.

While I'm not actively looking for a new job, I won't turn away a fully remote position that meets my requirements, so I keep my resume posted on various job sites.

I get hit on by recruiters about 2 - 5 times a day looking for someone to fill my specific niche role or similar, for a contract term and/or fully onsite position. I always reply, "I don't even consider looking at a position unless it is a permanent FTE and fully remote".

I may not actually find a replacement job, as I'm happy where I'm at, but I figure I can at least help out all the other jobseekers out there by letting the headhunters know, that there are qualified people out there that won't except any offer that isn't fully remote.

[–] Argyle13 1 points 1 year ago

This is a good answer. Mostly to let companies know that they are going to have a lot of difficulties finding the best people.

[–] V4uban 3 points 1 year ago

Thanks for sharing

[–] giantofthenorth 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Remember y'all, unionize your workplace so they can't take away remote work from you

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Yes. Do this.

[–] queermunist 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How tf do we unionize remote workplaces if we don't see each other at work?

[–] giantofthenorth 5 points 1 year ago

Talk in non manager voice chats, exchange numbers, if you're in similar regions plan to hang out outside of work with your coworkers (or work events outside of earshot of management), get in contact with an established union organizer, the option I've taken was through the AFL CIO, but i know others exist.

The things you don't want to do is to via text chat try to unionize your coworkers (on company controlled stuff at least) and announce your plans too soon, you also don't want to open every conversation with hey let's unionize.

It's something that is both easy and hard, and will take time to accomplish and is hard to estimate but if you can talk about something you're passionate about and willing to put in time and some research you'll be able to unionize your workplace.

If you'd like more help I'm glad to give it to anyone. I've done one campaign and while it was not successful it's something that gave me many valuable lessons and I've kept all the suggestions I've received from my former contacts i made.

[–] terrapin 31 points 1 year ago

I will never again accept a job that isn’t 100% remote. My main gig has about 50 devs, we all used to commute to the office everyday in a high COL city. My commute would sometimes take 90 minutes each way, and I only lived around 15 miles away. We’ve been 100% remote since March 2020 and our overall productivity has gone up by 20%, which isn’t surprising considering the commute alone sucked the life out of all of us.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Before the pandemic, my old company allowed us to remote work on occasion, but it was rare. With the pandemic we started to work from home regularly and it was a game changer. Little bit after the pandemic they forced us to go back to the office (also, in summer, in spain, to a office with broken AC), so I changed jobs.

Best decision I ever had. The company I work for now is US based, so obviously its remote only for me. There's a big culture shift, both from being American and for being remote focused, but I think its fantastic. Never have been as productive in my life.

There's a great difference between companies allowing remote and being remote oriented as well. Management has to fully buy into it and promote using remote tools, otherwise it won't work.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Little bit after the pandemic they forced us to go back to the office (also, in summer, in spain, to a office with broken AC)

I don't know what the relative humidity is like wherever in Spain you are, but if they had the windows open -- and I assume that they could open and did, if the AC was offline and people were in there in the summer -- and the humidity was low enough, could have thrown a portable evaporative cooler next to yourself. That can't get things as cold as a sufficiently-powerful air conditioner, but it's got a lot more punch than just a fan.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

We did have the windows open, and the put some fans, but still was quite unbereable. Especially because of all the computers. We did have a lot of fights with the company for this, as spanish law dictates a maximum temp for a working space. Some days, when it was over 40ºC inside, it was like an oven (literally it was better to go outside below a tree or something), we ended up walking out of the office, fuck that shit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How was the adjustment in office/work culture between Spain and US for you?

Maybe I'm an ignorant American, but isn't work culture much more relaxed in Spain than much of the US? "Siestas" and all that?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

No one takes siestas in a office job in Spain lol.

The job is more casual and friendly in America for sure. It can change between companies of course, but in general in Spain, there's a lot more consulting firms and less product oriented companies. So more PWC and similar.

In general the biggest adjustament has been the tme offset. There's 6h difference with most of the team, so I start late morning and end up late afternoon, which is a bit of a pain since you can really make effective use of the time. Since they are also all working when Im leaving, I very often have meetings or stuff making the day even longer, sometimes even late night, which sucks.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

It is a thing to note about starting an IT business. Office space is an overhead you cannot afford. I was involved as a founder for a small custom dev and consulting company in the middle 2000s. We were about 10 and very distributed. Every Friday we would meet at a coffee shop with bottomless coffee 😉. Do our version of a standup and then get on with it for the week. Even then we managed with email and google chat and cell phones. The tooling is so much better today than then. So there is no reason to waste money on renting fancy spaces.

[–] Clbull 18 points 1 year ago

My employer recently announced plans to lay off much of their Finance department and outsource their work to a remote team based in Delhi. Basically means I'll be made redundant within the next 6 months.

Why are they doing this? Because they're having problems attracting and retaining staff.

This may be a shocker, but nobody wants to come into the office three days a week, work in an incredibly stressful high-volume transactional finance role, deal with shoddy systems which frequently crash, end up shackled to a lengthy notice period, and have 30% of their calendar year blocked for taking annual leave - all on low pay that isn't competitive.

I work in Purchase Ledger and my team alone has suffered from a 95% employee turnover rate. The only reason I haven't walked yet is because the severance package is actually quite generous.

[–] Knoll0114 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

In my last year of uni now but I'd love to get remote work in the future. I've seen it totally change my mother's lifestyle.

[–] 0110010001100010 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's totally changed mine. Like many folks covid pushed us remote in 2020. Started getting back to the office vibes and changed jobs ~6 weeks ago to a fully-remote position making 50% more. It was a hard choice, I had been at my previous company for almost 2 decades. The roles are out there! Best of luck mate!!

[–] Knoll0114 8 points 1 year ago

Thank you! Yeah my mum went from commuting 2 hours each way to being able to make exercise in the morning, cook good healthy food and spend more time with us than she has since she stopped being a SAHM 16 years ago. I don't see why anyone would prioritise office interactions over that.

[–] TornadoRex 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I got a taste of it during a temp thing during the pandemic. It significantly improved my life. I got to see my kids more. Got to save a bunch of money not having to commute. I hope I can get back to something remote again in the future.

[–] Knoll0114 8 points 1 year ago

That's the dream! Don't have kids yet but when I do I want to be around as much as possible. Plus, I don't want to be stuck to the insane cost of living major cities have.

[–] SpezCanLigmaBalls 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

After I graduated college I looked for specific remote work. With a remote job I was able to move halfway across the country and start fresh in a place I love

[–] Knoll0114 6 points 1 year ago

Absolutely the dream! I'll never afford a house in my hometown nowadays.

[–] Hypersapien 12 points 1 year ago

Also, no office rent.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

It's a free incentive to attract people who would otherwise go with a higher paying position. No-brainer for smaller companies IMO.

[–] sudo22 8 points 1 year ago

I wish someone in my field would attract me with that 😭.

[–] andrei_chiffa 7 points 1 year ago

A lot of great companies were remote focused for a very long time before the pandemic. ArsTechnica, StackOverflow, ... - they have a physical office space, but it's mostly for legal & admin purposes and to let externals tour at least something.

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