And just like that Labour has lost another general election...
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It is tricky. My assumption was the opposite, that this would help Labour win the next election, which is why Starmer is doing it. But what do I know?
He wants those sweet sweet red wall Labour voters.
Maybe it's time to create a new party? There's probably enough people for a new party to win power based on closer (or rejoin) links with the EU. If only people could get over their (essentially) football team view of UK politics - go on you reds fuck the blues the referee (Bercow) is a wanker etc etc.
Don't the lib dems have rejoining or closer ties as part of their manifesto ? or did I not recall properly...
Yeah but apparently we can't forgive them for tuition fees. Absolutely barmy but that's UK politics 🤷. Let's just keep voting Tory and Labour until we all die.
No but seriously, we need PR and then we need a coalition to support closer meaningful ties to the single market (or choose your variation of that). However the two biggest blockers to PR are Labour and the Tories which we keep voting for because of some tribal allegiance that (for most) started 40 years ago in the eighties..... when they weren't even born!
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Started because of the 70s Three day working week to manage the rolling power cuts, miners strikes fuel crisis, then tortured by thatcher who was set to nuke the unions of the face of the planet. Blues hate working class, reds hate anyone who makes profits, and each are scared the other will do those 70s and 80s things again and again. Nevermind that Blair’s Labour was a middle right party, and nothing like the Red Ken memories of Labour past, and it seems like tories have moved out to the right while Labour have moved into their old chairs. I don’t know what SDP liberals stand for
reds hate anyone who makes profits
Maybe the voters. The party itself is doing its best to sideline anyone who's actually red and instead promote its centrists and blue-thinkers.
Tangentially, there's profit and there's greed. A lot of profit-hatred is, or has evolved out of, profiteer-hatred.
Voting for a party that will get into bed with the Tories at the first sign of power coming their way, a party that has repeatedly said they will not do a deal with Labour, is a vote for another Tory hegemony.
Lib Dems had one chance to show they wouldn't sell out and they used it to betray their core demographic that got them power. They don't deserve a second chance.
They don't deserve a second chance.
Then we don't deserve another referendum. We had one chance. Brexit Max it is! 🥹
Voting for a party that will get into bed with the Tories at the first sign of power coming their way, a party that has repeatedly said they will not do a deal with Labour, is a vote for another Tory hegemony.
This is a seriously fucked up way to think about politics in the long run. It damns is all to tribal allegiances.
Politics is fucked up, glad you noticed. Lib Dems are also sellout liars and there will never be another referendum. Sorry to burst all your bubbles at once, but that's the way it goes in this country.
Create a new party??? Splitting the left even more is guaranteed Tory rule.
Create a new party that will appeal to voters that want more integration with the EU. That might actually attract some Conservatives that can't get behind radical left ideals but wanted to stay in the EU. It's only the ERG nutters that will be left behind.
Basically split both Labour Brexitiers and Tory Brexitiers into their own thing. Both of them are so hard line that they will never cooperate. What's left will be EU enthusiasts that might, just might, pull together for closer integration / rejoin. And hopefully this new party will have a majority.
But of course if it's more tribal red and blue that people want then bring on more Brexit! 🥹
That's my take too - he is doing everything to try not to spook the horses. My concern is, he might stick to this after the election when he'll have such a stonking majority he could do what he likes.
I think you're right on this one. Certain press outlets are already painting this as a "plot to reverse brexit".
He basically can't say anything without the Tory press jumping on it and spinning it as some kind of secret foreigner-loving, commie plot.
I imagine his chat with Macron was pretty much: "I am highly restricted in what I can say at the moment but we'll have a longer chat when I win. Nudge, nudge wink, wink." Macron: "you English with you nudging and winking!".
He shouldn't have commented on it tbh the message of the day should have been the fuckup Sunak is presiding over
I'm surprised he said anything at all considering his track record on not taking a stance on things.
Doubt it, 2020 was won on getting Brexit done...the red wall love a good Brexit. He will win more seats supporting Brexit than EU.
He won't. Just like Corbyn.
Oh Keir, it‘s hard isn‘t it? Just like with all your other moves lately, you seem to find it so difficult to go into opposition to the fascists. So difficult to quit all these Tory policies that proved disastrous for the country. What is your fucking plan? You think people will vote for yet more neoliberal bullshit? (Not talking about Brexit here)
In Paris, Sir Keir sought to break the ice with an exchange of gifts that saw the leader give Mr Macron a personalised Arsenal shirt and receive cufflinks.
The contrast in formality of the two made me chuckle.