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It's dark comedy for a tragically comic situation.

By definition, I'd say all of the jokes are in very poor taste, which is what makes them so funny. The specifics of this particular tragedy practically call out for grim comedy: Safety shmafety, Logitech, Blink 182 getting sucked into the spotlight, etc.

I do think that all the chatter about the disaster has underscored some critically important points:

Billionaires are just as stupid as everyone else. They are not exceptional people in any way.

If you're not a deep sea oceanography expert of any sort, you should keep your undersea adventures to much shallower waters.

"Hey Personal Assistant, can you give me the dirt sheet on this submarine company? I'm thinking of visiting the Titanic." Would have saved lives. Those tickets to an undersea adventure were a quarter of a million dollars per seat. I've done better due diligence buying a ukulele online than these halfwits.

I dunno. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes right? Don't get me wrong, it's still tragic what happened to most of those people, but I don't have much sympathy.

The way I see it, making jokes about this kind of thing is a fundamentally human reaction. People often react to grim scenarios with humor, consider all the jokes about things like wars that exist- and being trapped in a failing submarine is a pretty grim thought that people might seek to distract themselves from by twisting it into humor. I don't think joking about an event like this that resulted in deaths is the same thing as wishing for people to die, they are, after all, already dead, and uncomfortable as the thought is, the dead are not as far as we can probably know capable of taking offense to anything. There is no possible harm that jokes or anything else can do to them anymore.

Obviously I would consider it pretty rude to joke about it around someone who knew one of the deceased, since you can at least cause emotional distress to those people, but I don't see a problem with joking about it on the general internet.

Another thing to consider is that some of the jokes have been mocking the quality of the sub itself, rather than the people on board (save for the ceo I guess). If you cheap out on stuff and that decision kills people, I think it's perfectly reasonable for people to mock you over it.

When it comes to tragedies, the number of fucks I give for the victims follows a simple formula.

I start with a billion fucks. Then I subtract the combined net worth of the people affected by the tragedy. The result is how many fucks I give about their tragedy.

For this one, I'm at about negative three billion fucks.

I think it's hard to just handwave and say "meme bad". These are some of the people I've come across with it:

First the easy one, edgelords online want to rile people up. I personally don't care, engaging them at all is just encouraging them. There are worse things to make memes about IMO, this is not one of them to get riled up over.

Second, people who genuinely don't care about this and think it's ridiculous the media covered it so much. I'm half in this boat, there are way more newsworthy things to cover than 5 people drowning in a custom made sub on a mission that they literally signed away their life to do. However,

Third, people who see this as a tragedy. The other half of me is here, at least one of the people genuinely wanted to see the Titanic. Which, maybe it's hard for us to understand the price tag, but if you had a dream of seeing it since you were a child, wanted nothing more than to see it, and were offered it, would you? And if not, if someone offered you a trip to see what you wanted to more than anything else in the world, would you want to? Go step on the moon? It's like if someone offered you the ability to literally go to a fictional place, then that 250k doesn't seem so much, if that was your once in a lifetime must do once and exactly once, if you saved up for 20 years. Those are the people I mourn.

Fourth, and I think this is a small group, people who are legit sad but treat humor as a coping mechanism. I think a lot of people forget about them, they aren't trying to make situations like this into something controversial, they just cope differently, and that's okay.

I like the memes. That situation is just so absurd all the way through.

It probably also helps that I don't really have any sympathy for anyone that passed away in that sub. Don't get me wrong: I wish nobody death, but they kinda did that to themselves. They're lucky that they died during the implosion and not by suffocation.

Personally, I think it's all about the balance.

There are a handful of affected families and millions cracking their own jokes. No one (hopefully!) is harassing the victims' families.

Admittedly, my moral perspective is, apparently, a little skewed. I find it mind boggling that we as a culture have normalized sweatshops to make almost everything and children mining and dying to make our phones but draw the line at jokes. Just seems weird, like a plantation slave owner chiding me for saying "damn."

Honestly, I just don't care. You don't become a billionaire ethically, and they happened to spend their riches on something so incredibly stupid, when others around the world are suffering because of their existence.
Like yes it's sad for their families and such... But the conversation has revolved around this submarine instead of focusing on, I don't know, that migrant ship that capsized and killed like 500 people.

Humor about this tragic event is sub-optimal. We don't want to sink this sub with poorly thought out humor.

"Tragedy will be exclusively joked about because my empathy is bumming me out"

-Bo Burnham

Also the only person I feel bad for was the guy's 19 year old son.

I just really don't care about the lives of some billionaires honestly. That company and its CEO were basically just a pile of red flags. Even a cursory amount of research should have turned that up. If they didn't use their billions to cover their asses why should I have sympathy for them? They'd let us all die and wouldn't bat an eye so I'm going to crack some jokes at their expense. Basically I don't think billionaires are covered by our social moral codes because they're at best a bunch of sociopaths.

People die. Life is messy. Take it for what it's worth: a good laugh once in a while.

Those dead people are now complete.

They are human, sure. We all are.

I think they don't mind personally.

I don't want to limit my empathy to people who only meet specific qualifications.

C'mon dude, we joke about war, cancer and shit

I've done it myself, so I clearly have no problem with it myself. Gallows humor is in poor taste, but billionaires don't give a damn about random schlubs like myself, so that indifference is reciprocated.

Plus... plus. It was fucking stupid to take a tiny submarine hundreds of feet underwater to explore a 100 year old sunken relic. The tragedy of the Titanic is well documented! If you want to see it up close, we have remotely controlled drones with cameras for that! Or just watch a damn documentary on the History Channel, on those rare moments when they SHOW history on the History Channel. The sub situation just smacks of senseless, self-destructive hedonism. It's like getting a raccoon for a pet, then lamenting that your new pet just crawled into your child's crib and snacked on her face for a while. Yes. It's a wild animal. This could easily have been anticipated and prevented if you just used some common sense.

Whe j think we should have empathy for their families I'm still gonna make jokes.

Did you know on their previous dives the Playlist had plenty of Air Supply.

Making jokes is how people cope with tragic events.
This is why there is the on-going debate, that no topic should ever be unavailable to joke about.

I remember that the very same day that Princess Diana died, people were saying "Died in a nasty accident" and that was before the days of the internet being popular, that was a joke that spread around the country by text message.

• “No tolerance for intolerance.”
• “Self defense is not violence.”

much of it is not aimed against those people personally, but rather voiced as a reminder to others of their ilk that many of us are getting sick and tired of their continued abuses of the system and the people – the difference between setting up a guillotine in front of a parliament building versus mailing death threats to a specific individual

as long as they continue to see themselves as above humanity by virtue of nothing more than inherited wealth, as long as they claim their wealth gives them the moral high ground, when they’re willing to spend millions of our money to search for five missing rich people but won’t spend a cent searching for 750 refugees, then they deserve no tolerance from the rest of us – quid pro quo …

I came here just to get a measure of how toxic the Lemmy community was going to be and I love that you didn’t disappoint. This is probably the most refreshing dispute I’ve read in a while. Even the most extreme on either side, are mostly speaking their opinions without directing hate at the others contributing to the conversation. Thank you for this!

I think it's awful...

that there aren't more jokes.

And meaner ones.

I think it's risky if you live in the UK. We have a law called the Communications Act which has broad powers banning posting of anything which is 'grossly offensive'. It's entirely up to a court to decide what is 'grossly offensive' on a case-by-case basis.

It's not something I would ever do. I guess I'm superstitious but taking death lightly makes me feel like I'd have to pay for that later...