Orban, and his comrades are no unwitting... they know what are they doing, and for how much, and for what (putin has all of the KGB files about him, and his comrades).
Their dumb followers are the unwitting, just like trumpists
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Honestly surprised not to see Jackson Hinkle's name on this. Him and The Quartering give me grifter vibes.
So... Was the propaganda false propaganda or true propaganda?
US propaganda during the Cold War included things like "our grocery stores have bananas" (true) and "we will totally definitely not expand NATO if you dissolve the USSR" (false).
True propaganda is just a fact that makes you look bad.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
US intelligence agencies believe that the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) is attempting to influence public policy and public opinion in the West by directing Russian civilians to build relationships with influential US and Western individuals and then disseminate narratives that support Kremlin objectives, obscuring the FSB’s role through layers of ostensibly independent actors.
“These influence operations are designed to be deliberately small scale, the overall goal being US [and] Western persons presenting these ideas, seemingly organic,” a US official authorized to discuss the material told CNN.
“The co-optee influence operations are built primarily on personal relationships … they build trust with them and then they can leverage that to covertly push the FSB’s agenda.”
Maxim Grigoriev, who heads a Russian NGO, made multiple speeches to the UN presenting a false study that claimed the humanitarian group the White Helmets – which operates in Syria – was running a black market for human organs and had faked chemical attacks by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, with whom Russia is allied.
One man, Andrey Stepanenko, founded a media project in 2014 that sponsored journalists from the US and the West to visit eastern Ukraine and learn “the alleged truth” about what was happening in the region.
The US official also cited Natalia Burlinova, the founder of a Russian NGO who routinely coordinated FSB-funded public diplomacy efforts aimed at influencing Western views.
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So Russia is hiring propagandists to spread its narratives to US citizens... same as US does to another countries with its NGO and USAID shills. So maybe it's not good, but it's definately fair.
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Meanwhile the CIA does the same
[...] sponsored journalists from the US and the West to visit eastern Ukraine and learn “the alleged truth” about what was happening in the region.
Oh boy! I wonder what they've found when they got there!
US has just revealed what it itself has been doing towards others for decades.
So... No evidence, just "these people happened to be spreading ideas that didn't fit with the Western perspective"
Are we back to McCarthyism already?
I'm not doubting that Russia's trying to spread propaganda: so are we, and so is any major player that wants to play the game. I'm just skeptical that this mess of a source is worth a damn.
Well I mean it's CNN. It's been utter shit for years. The only thing you can say about it is it isn't as blatantly politically biased as Fox, but is absolutely corporatist.
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Hell, the US has done similar shit over all of europe during the cold war