It sucks that this is overshadowing their win. Spain should be celebrating their championship, not dealing with this dude. Just step down.
this post was submitted on 25 Aug 2023
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Imagine marking the goal that seals the championship, and even right before your mind fully assimilates the celebration you have ahead, some idiot with authority over you comes and ruins it without absolutely nobody asking for it.
I dunno. It does suck in the short-term, of course. But this problem has been festering for a long time, in Spain and elsewhere. The inevitable victory for the women over the boneheads will be a fantastic legacy. And no one is ever going to forget who won it in 2023.
Welp, I guess that gets rid of the hand waving of her feelings about it. Of course acknowledging that women have feelings is... checks notes... "false feminism".
False feminism: when you false flag a — uhhhm... feminism?
It's going to be a long transformation. Football is a male-dominated sport with men at the top. It will be a slow process to change the culture.
Not to mention culture in the country of Spain is very patriarchal. The women are, in turn, very strong themselves because they deal with so much “macho” bullshit. It’s crazy.
I mean, take this all with a grain of salt. This is my perception living there for a few years as a man from the US. It’s noticeably different, and we have large swaths of the country that operate on a similar male-centric mindset.
Care to expand on this? I'm interested in your perspective on this.
I mean, as I said, it’s a casual observation from an outsider. Historically, sure, you could very much argue there is a trend toward machismo and patriarchal structures in Spain, as well as a lot of spanish-speaking countries. I personally got myself in a lot of situations where I was observing a man acting really aggressively toward a woman and intervened. Everyone around me (my local friends) found it really weird that I would see an issue and/or step in out of some sense of duty. Even one or two of the women that I was attempting to help would sort of seem taken aback.
Again, I’m making a huge generalization, but there is something to be said about the difference in interpersonal relationships across different cultures. And in my experience, in Spain in particular, I noticed very sort of “aggressive” tactics of “flirting” among spanish men toward women in general, but also on the flip side, got the impression that the Spanish women grew to be very strong in pushing back when it came to unknown men. Again, these are my thoroughly biased, anecdotal findings from my years spent there.
But again, there’s also a noticeable difference in race relations. More sort of blunt racism that is treated as “normal,” whereas in my country the racists are more likely to coat their racism or deny it while obviously having a racist bent to their words and actions.
Spain is a pretty religious country, and that does tend to go hand-in-hand with some sense of patriachal behavior/thinking in a lot of cases. Now, I also lived in South America for a few years and there are some similar patterns there. But in my mind, Spain is distinctly more noticeable in these respects.
That was basically sexual assault.
That was ~~basically~~ sexual assault.
No "basically" about it.
Straight up sexual assault.
Let's be real about this. It's a pretty obvious inference that he's done sexist and gross shit before. Just that this time, there isn't no he said she said to hide behind. No wonder he thinks it's social assassination, he's been getting away with this shit, why shouldn't he now?
Everybody here knows that 15 players protested the cruel actions of their coach a few months ago and were......left off the team. Right? 3 apologized and were allowed back on the team. There is a history of misogyny on this team before this incident. The culture in Spanish soccer is rotten to the core.
The article on New York Times is paywalled, so here is the alternative Archived link that you can read without ads: https://archive.is/1KSa0
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Probably was an afterthought. The article was updated 8 hours after publishing, which is probably why that’s added on at the end.
I'm glad they're taking a stand like this, especially after winning.
Wait, haven't we seen this before? 12 out of the 15 players who protested the same way about their coach's brutal tactics were left off the team.
That's kinda crazy they won without what's likely some of their top players.
More importantly there appears to be a culture of mistreating women.
Quite the move by them. Hopefully he will be gone.