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"Heads up, there won’t be a WAN Show this week. Instead, we will continue to focus on addressing issues raised both internally and by the community during our production break. We appreciate you all for your patience."

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[–] [email protected] 110 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Kinda bummed but also a good choice unless it was Luke and someone else.

Don't really need Linus opening his mouth right now.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Tarren would be interesting, but I suspect he is probably very hesitant to go live and unfiltered. He has seen how that worked for his predecessor :/

[–] UnicornHarrison 42 points 10 months ago (2 children)

WAN Show's real appeal (to me, at least) has always been the unfiltered and real time conversations. Though as of late, those conversations have been more about creating controversy then real discussion 😐

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Agreed, that is why I like it as well. A lot of the controversy is the community taking their unfiltered words and twisting them, rather than listening for the actual intent that is being expressed. Without the Luke saves Linus would have burned the whole company to the ground a long time ago. Hard R etc :D

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you use a phrase in a way nobody else uses, and asks people to read your mind for what you actually meant, then you already failed as a public facing communicator.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Iirc Linus genuinely thought "hard R" refered to the word starting with R (r****d), not the one ending in R (n****r). He thought he was using it the same as everyone else, unaware that no he very much was not. Meanwhile, Luke was watching his career flash before his eyes

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago
[–] jwagner7813 2 points 10 months ago

Less factual input and more "bro this just sucks, trust me".

[–] anubis119 74 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm glad they recognize the gravity of the situation and are treating this as a true existential moment for the company.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure Linus saw the absolute shitstorm he was about to face in all 3 chats, and ran the other way.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Either that or the whole management team had to drag him away kicking and screaming so he wouldn't throw more oil into the fire.

[–] DoomBot5 17 points 10 months ago

Yvonne said she was the one that put her foot down after his post. The entire vibe I got out of that apology video was "alright, we're raining in Linus and fixing this shit"

[–] jwagner7813 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

My guess is this. Tong probably said "Linus, shut the fuk up and disappear for a little bit".

[–] [email protected] 45 points 10 months ago (5 children)

As much as I like WAN show, it does seem a bit symptomatic of the overwork. They go until after midnight on a Friday night? And frequently they call someone who should be home?

Merch messages have metastasized it a bit. Maybe they should just prerecord it during work hours, and answer merch messages from the previous week? Would be less interactive, but most of the curated merch messages seem to be general questions anyway, rather than topic specific questions? They could still automatically show current merch messages in the banner as the video goes live?

I at least hope they are either paying Dan overtime or letting him shift his hours around.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Hope Dan is getting reimbursed as well, though if Madison's claim about time off is to be believed, I don't have much confidence in that.

A bit of a side tangent, but the way Linus talks to Dan has always kinda rubbed me the wrong way. There's jokey "Dan wants me to do this but I'm gonna do this instead" banter that's ok but there are times where Linus just seems to openly disregard Dan and blame him for his own fuckups on the show. Not trying to be a parasocial Andy here but it does make the podcast harder to listen to, imo.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Linus has this attitude with everyone. The reason you see it more with Dan is because it's Live.

He has an attitude problem

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I was really annoyed when, during the Billet Labs monoblock "review" video, I saw Linus berating his cohost for not guessing shit he wanted, while the cohost was very obviously trying his best to do all he could while respectfully staying out of Linus's way.

And that's just one example in a single video.

Damned if you do, damned is you don't. You just can't win.

[–] DoomBot5 2 points 10 months ago

Hand me the scissors /s

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I know what you mean. Without knowing their personal relationship it can seem a bit cruel at times.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They went about this in the last episode and Dan was actually so into it that Linus felt bad.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Yes he does, he gets reminded quite often to put in the overtime

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

That's good, thanks for letting us know, I must have missed it whenever that has been said.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

That's the exact same thing I'm thinking every time I'm watching. I wouldn't stay at work after midnight on every single Friday that's for sure.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Another symptom of the overwork is that I believe they're late to start most weeks?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

If they continue it meant they value tradition more than righting the wrongs. Remember that it's deep seated tradition that allowed the work culture to fester in the first place.

Not to mention all the chats would be bombarded.

Lastly I think Dan deserves a break.

[–] CoolSouthpaw 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Good. They need to take this shit seriously. This could be (imo should be) the end of LTT.

[–] ricdeh 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Why should it be the end of LTT? That's so not constructive! We should strive toward forcing a change at the company, but not ending its existence! There are many people employed there, and whatever has occurred regarding Madison, only a fraction of those working there 9 to 5 will have had anything to do with it.

[–] jwagner7813 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I'm not in the crowd of should be, and I'm all for second chances. But, I could see why someone wouldn't want Linus, and a company under his name, to not be successful because of who he is and what's happening. Liking a product but not the person behind it is ok. Making a choice not to support either is also ok.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Does anyone have any suitable "alternatives" in podcasts which are similar to the WAN Show in atmosphere? (As in: longer conversations about tech-adjecent topics) I don't feel comfortable wanting to go near LMG's content (my only consistent watching was the WAN Show to be frank) after these discoveries.

[–] hihellobyeoh 8 points 10 months ago

Probably the level 1 techs various shows, used to be one big thing but now I think they release different "categories" each day or something, it's been a while since I've watched them, damn you YouTube messing with my feed.

[–] jwagner7813 3 points 10 months ago

Jay-Z 2 cents has a pod called RTFM if you like his content. Not necessarily the same but still in the tech world.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

The Waveform podcast is pretty decent. It's MKBHD's podcast.

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