If a single location consistently has a problem with speeding drivers, you've got a poorly designed road.
this post was submitted on 17 Aug 2023
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Definitely. And yet they never seem to redesign the roads for the speed we want.
Let's redesign streets for the benefit of the people who live there, rather than the speed and convenience of the cars that drive through. I'm sick of the noisy and dangerous traffic around the place where I live, and I can't afford to move.
Stroads... Canada is FULL of them. I wish they'd design streets here like they do in the Netherlands. I lived there for years and it was awesome.
Stroads: The infrastructure that sucks for everyone, pedestrians, cyclists, transit users, and drivers all the same.
But that's the Canadian way. Everyone gets a trophy. We're too "polite" to pick a favourite. We hope that in doing so we can make everyone happy, but end up making everyone unhappy.
The people of the Netherlands are known for being much more, let's say, blunt. They're not afraid to choose a winner.
How else do they get money from the people?
Just need speed bumps. Speed bumps every few blocks on every street where the limits are below 60km/h. There's no more sure way short of rebuilding the entire roads.
Just add bike lanes on both sides. :P /s
Fucking stupid headline trying to suggest that speed enforcement in a city plagued by road casualties, is simply a cash grab
I don't disagree, but it's funny to me how certain things are prioritized because they are cash grabs. There are many other aspects of driving that need to be policed which aren't limited to speeding, red lights, and parking. It feels like the police/city are disinterested in pursuing anything else, I'm assuming because effort is involved. I see drivers so often fucking around with phones / eyes on something other than the road which is as dangerous as, if not more dangerous than, going 10 km/h over the speed limit. I see tons of super aggressive driving too.
I'm not saying stop speed enforcement with cameras, but maybe police other things that aren't immediately profitable too.
So, what's the excuse for not having one on every street?
They're really expensive, apparently. But hey, I think moving them around to the most lucrative locations to maximize earnings for the city (assuming they actually get to collect the money), could be a nice way to help subsidize road maintenance or TTC costs.
They’re really expensive, apparently.
Yeah, probably too expensive to literally put them on EVERY street, but they are a tiny investment for the amount of return you get on roads where speeding is common (i.e. the places where these tend to be installed).
If you tell drivers that revenue generated through speeding tickets will towards paying for cycling infrastructure, I'm sure the rates of speeding would plummet. LOL
The issue is less the cost of the device, but for them to work, someone has to process those tickets. That's judges, police, clerks, etc. That's the expensive part and why they aren't the cash grab they look like.
but for them to work, someone has to process those tickets. That’s judges, police, clerks, etc. That’s the expensive part and why they aren’t the cash grab they look like.
According to ASE Ontario, only a provincial offences officer reviews the ticket before issuing a fine. I guess if the ticket is contested, it would involve the courts, just like any other ticket. And you'd have to be an idiot to contest one of these tickets, which has a photo of you speeding. LOL
They also say "The total payable indicated on the ticket includes the set fine, court costs and the victim fine surcharge, which is credited to the provincial victims’ justice fund account."
Either way, tickets need to be issued, and this just speeds up the process AND reduces speeding in the areas they are implemented.
They increase traffic accidents
Source?
Need more cameras.
I guess the City of Toronto has tolled expressways after all. For rich, impatient people.
Kinda wish they'd put up more of those. Encourage safer behaviour on the streets and help plug the hole in the city budget.
Voters really dislike them because voters like to speed
Anyone know how fast you have to be going to get a ticket there? Asking for a friend.