Those assholes should have never pushed the shit in the first place. Giving people the freedom to work from home and still live their life at the same time, then trying to snatch it away and force a return to the office, is clearly going to cause some serious push back. But these fucks were more worried about justifying their expensive office leases, than actually listening to and respecting their employees. A lot of those shit companies got what they deserved, empty offices, weakened workforce, and less overall productivity. Good job assholes.
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"We believe that a structured hybrid approach — meaning employees that live near an office need to be onsite two days a week to interact with their teams — is most effective for Zoom"
If only there was some kind of chat/video conferencing software you could use to collaborate with your team anytime you wanted...
employees that live near an office need to be onsite
Sigh, why are you punishing people based on where they live?
That's a great way to ruin moral. Create 2 classes of workers.
I think it depends on it is implemented company-wide.
I'm fortunate enough that my company lets us choose whether we're full-remote, hybrid or on-site.
I think that's the best way to implement this, since it's the worker's decision on how they want to work.
I think that the only major difference is that hybrid workers that are on-site most of the week have a designated desk and chair like the always on-site workers.
The full-remotes have to book one of the several rotating desks that we have if they want to come to the office.
Brb moving to another state
There is this farmhouse that is going on the market in the middle of nowhere soon. If my work had that policy I would already be getting ready to list my current house.
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Someone should create it, they would be millionaires, think of all the money these guys are missing out on. Some of these bosses should bring their teams into the office and get right to it.
So by that logic, living near the office means you are more effective in the office than at home. That is so clearly bullshit it doesn't even need taking apart.
80% of bosses regret their initial return-to-office decisions and say they would have approached their plans differently if they had a better understanding of employees’ office attendance, their usage of office amenities and other related factors
In other words, if they'd tried, even just a little, to actually do their jobs.
Bunch of clowns.
If they had even tried to talk to people, gather data, think about it...
Regret how they went about implementing back to work.
In response, EY announced a fund in February 2022 to reimburse up to $800 per year for commuting, pet care and dependent care costs for each of its 55,000-plus U.S. employees.
Sorry... a < .5% raise isn't enough to get me back in an office.
800 per year? My god what are these execs paying their nannies that they think this is anything substantial for such a massive sacrifice of time and energy to be in an office.
Yeah $800 would maybe cover my train tickets. Probably not quite. Pet care expenses? I don’t even really know what that means.
But dependent care???? They must be high.
Pet care... Dog walking, cat feeding. I assume.
$800 wouldn't cover childcare for 1 child for 1 month.
Knowing an exec who has a nanny, they’re paying them around $7,000 a year and trying to make them feel like they never do enough
Their nanny works around 75 hours a week
Jesus Christ that's cruel.
I've never really accepted the theory that return to office pushes are driven by office maintenance costs, or whatever. Hell, those expenses go UP when everyone is back. Working from home takes away electrical usage, and mitigates janitorial demand. If productivity is up or equal, and building maintenance costs are down, then wtf is it really about?
A lot of companies are stuck in long term leases so they're paying rent whether the buildings are being used or not. When out of touch upper management sees cubicles laying fallow they get pissed
Yup, classic sunk cost. We're paying for this, why aren't we using it?
This should get interesting in the next few years when those leases come up due and companies decide they can shrink their office substantially.
That's still weird though. You could still generate more savings from the utilities costs if you don't have your people return to work. The company I worked for actually reduced office space because of the savings.
Imagine what would happen if a bunch of huge fully-remote companies with no office space were told by the government that they now had to buy a building for workers to work in.
Imagine how fast their opinion would switch.
The boss has to feel like he's doing stuff.
It's for the bad boss' ego. Or the boss lives in fear that he adds no value to the organization and wants to hide that from his boss.
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I'm surprised people in this comments section aren't aware of the real estate mob. It's the oligarchy who are pushing for return to offices. They have valuable investments in both big companies and the real estate, and they don't want to see the values of their assets going down.
Somebody posted about this on lemmy a week or so ago. I'll see if I can find it.
Don't worry, they will divest now while it's propped up. When they are divested and it's suckers holding the bag, they will be fine with wfh.
The dam is broken, there is no going back. It will be different by company and industry but it's not going away.
I just don't get it. That money has already been spent or guaranteed for the current leases. It's a sunk cost either way. If they end up not needing it that office space then, once those leases are up, that become a cost saving and improve the bottom line of corporate profits right?
Only thing I can think of is that a a considerable percentage of upper management are getting kick backs by property owners who can see what WFH policies mean to their business model, or there are a lot of managers that don't know how to evaluate employee performance based on their deliverables.
It's about ego. The boss doesn't know how to make the company perform better, they're all out of ideas. They have to change something to make it look like they're doing something, so RTO is the low hanging fruit.
There's really no more justification needed than that. Looking at practical benefits to explain RTO pushes won't get you answers because the practical benefits are so slim and conditional relative to the strain it creates.
It's all about ego. They self-identity as the hardcore alpha boss that deserves high pay because they "earn" it. So to massage that ego, they go into the office even though they dont need to, and are meeting with nobody there. It's pointless but it feeds their ego.
So they feel alone at the office...and in that worldview they are hardworking (an assumed condition), and nobody else is there, therefore everyone else is not hardworking (regardless of how much work they're actually doing).
Its about theft, corruption, abuse, and the ability to keep it all hidden and obfuscated.
Glad the bosses are seeing this.
Yes but since in their minds they can never be wrong they are not gonna learn anything nor admit defeat.
Yes but since in their minds they can never be wrong they are not gonna learn anything nor admit defeat.
I have never heard the expression and am now wondering if the executives faces are covered in raw egg? Is it scrambled? Sunny side up? The German doesn't know.
dont over think it. visualize someone with a raw uncooked yoke broken over their face...they look stupid.
its an older meme from before the internet but, it still clears port authority on occasion.
Yes this "meme" predates the Internet by just a tad.
With egg on one’s face means means appearing ridiculous or foolish because of one’s actions. The phrase with egg on one’s face is an American idiom, though the origins are murky. One possible source goes back to popular theater during the 1800s and early 1900s.
don't over think it
If German engineers are anything to go by, you're asking the wrong person to not over think!
I misread "sunny" as "scummy" at first