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[–] raspberriesareyummy 122 points 1 year ago (2 children)

He probably wants to do worse, but can't say it out load yet. He's a fucking Nazi.

[–] Carighan 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, people always seem to think the AfD is one united front.

But they span the whole gamut from Tucker Carlson ultra-right-wing-but-also-no-grasp-on-factual-reality to literally-a-fucking-nazi-wanting-to-burn-jews-themselves-in-their-own-oven.

They're abhorrend as a party, and the fact that so much of the shit media in Germany low-key supports them hard and pushes people towards voting for them (namely and chiefly the Axel Springer media landscape which is sadly huge) and as a result they get quite a significant number of votes is... "worrying" to put it mildly. As a German in particular, I have genuine plans how and where to move if shit hits the fan, which at the present rate it will. >.> (Ireland, probably)

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Yup! So much so that even members of a party under investigation for being a nazi front tried to expel him.

This is beautiful, though:

After Höcke's "monument of shame" comment, the Center for Political Beauty, a Berlin-based art collective, erected a full-scale replica of one section of the Holocaust memorial in Berlin within viewing distance of Höcke's home in Bornhagen as a reminder of German history.

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[–] Roflmasterbigpimp 59 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I hate the AFD so much. Me and lots of other Germans try so hard to show the World that Germany is a modern inclusive and liberal Democracy from its deepest core and then POS like Höcke comes along and does shit like this. And I really can't understand how anyone at all will believe anything that anyone from this shit show of a political party says. They are willing to sell out Germany to Russia, the have shown that they don't care about anyone and everything they are interested in is spreading hate and getting in Power. I hate them so much.

[–] Carighan 28 points 1 year ago

Like all right-wing parties they lack any actual real agenda. That is, they're not interested in running the currently existing state, they want their fascist WW3 Nazi Germany with them at the helm. Rather, their entire political "argument" right now is "Current stuff is SHIT!". That's how they get all their votes, from people being angry and disappointed.

But, much as I like to ramble about current politicians (since you can't call the AfD fuckers "politicians"), things can be shit outside of the control of anyone in particular. As if Höcke could have handled COVID. Imagine what a disaster it would have been if he had any say in it. Imagine how even the nascent efforts at climate would be worse. Inclusion, Russia, education, health, there's not a single topic the AfD would improve if they got power. And they were openly do not intend to improve anything. They're completely open about it.

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[–] soviettaters 38 points 1 year ago (4 children)

First people push for mass abortions of disabled people (see Iceland), next they try to make living disabled people's lives horrible. Eugenics is making a comeback and nobody cares.

[–] MajorHavoc 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We care. We don't have the same resources as some of these assholes, but we care.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I brought this up on your instance and the mod deleted it and called me a slur

I'd say by the amount of comments on here that no one actually cares in Europe about the rise of Fascism, as whenever it gets brought up, people just deflect. Reddit was notorious for this

[–] orrk 5 points 1 year ago

we really need to find a way to blunt the outside influence on our societies in Europe, a lot of the conservative-fascist push is coming from propaganda media of both the Russian state and rich conservatives like Murdoch (who, btw, is walking a fine line of not quite open neo-nazi at this point)

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[–] nomadjoanne 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm more sympathetic to letting people choose to abort fetuses with clear genetic or physical problems.The world isn't made a better place by more people with down syndrome. Very early genetic testing is helpful here.

However, not letting these people who do exist, and to some extent will probably always exist, live full enriched lives to the extent that they are able is rather horrible.

[–] smooth_tea 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What does "mass abortions" mean exactly in this context?

You're probably talking about Iceland's "100% abortion rate for people with down syndrome"? Which comes to about 1 or 2 cases per year.

Exaggerating much?

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Later added: "They need special care, we need to withdraw them from our normal schools and build camps to keep them together, preferably with easy rail access.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Höck approves of this message!

[–] Redredme 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

“All children deserve equal participation and more opportunities through inclusive education,” Brandenburg said.

I concur. Unfortunately I also somewhat concur with this weird guy on this topic because the current system does not result in equal participation.

The current system results in a lot of unhappy parents and unhappy students and burned out teachers.

That doesn't sound or look viable. But it is what we got in a lot of the EU.

The inclusion project almost always results in exclusion. Only in the first few years it does work.

After that it quickly becomes very apparent for all the kids that that one kid is different. And that the teacher spends all most all his time on that one kid. Which results in envy and jealousy. And that one kid also feels like shit because of that.

Kids, like adults, can and will be very mean.

In the school of my kids I've seen it work twice, in 13 years. All the other times it ended with a premature departure of the special needs kid.

Now I'm not talking about mild autism or mild adhd or a small mental deficiency. Those are manageable and those kids should be teached at a "normal" school. I'm talking about the severe cases of those and syndromes like down.

(source parent of 3 kids, in the Netherlands with somewhat the same system.)

[–] burnedoutfordfiesta 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, I've no doubt that Höcke is pursuing this for extremely cynical and gross reasons, but the broken clock is right twice a day. “Inclusion" is one of those policies that sounds so self-evidently positive and reasonable at a glance, that people's brains shut down and nobody thinks of potential downsides to it as a universal policy. A majority of kids who require special education fare much, much better in smaller classes taught by a special education teacher who can move through material more slowly and boil it down to easier-to-grasp concepts. Sticking them in a large classroom with 20-30 non-disabled peers, even with a SpEd teacher present, rarely has a positive effect, and more often than not leads to worse outcomes for all students present. Inclusion is at its core a cost-saving measure (it's cheaper to stick the SpEd kids in a GenEd classroom than making a dedicated class for them), but it wraps itself in progressive ideology so well that it's almost impossible for parents or teachers to argue against.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I agree, we should aim for regular schools if possible, but should watch out in taking our ideology too strictly and clouding our view on reality. If it's not manageable, a special school might be best for all parties.

We can still try, but not against one's better judgement.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fascist. You can call Höcke a fascist, courts said so

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Actually, you can also straight up call him a Nazi in public by now! ;)

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[–] NimbleSloth 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Jesus, this world man. It seems I read dumb horrible shit every couple days. I always thing, nahh can't top that and then a couple days later some even more dumb horrible shit is posted.

[–] b3an 5 points 1 year ago

It’s always been like this. It’s just now we hear about it more. But in a way it’s good. It shows we as a society collectively cringe more at this than condone it. Perhaps keeping it public and reminding people why they are stupid and ignorant through public scrutiny and outrage is one way to combat it.

[–] Burn_The_Right 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Conservatism is a plague of oppression, sickness and death. It always has been.

History has shown that conservatism cannot be defeated by pacifism.

[–] Vub 10 points 1 year ago

George Orwell wrote in 1942, during the war:

"Pacifism is objectively pro-fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side, you automatically help out that of the other.“

With that said conservatism is not fascism, but one enables the other.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

We're talking about AfD. They don't even hide the fact that they are nazis. People who vote for them never really learned from history.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Welp, this sounds familiar.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Idk but the guy in the picture looks like genderbent Ellen DeGeneres

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If Kenneth Copeland and Ellen had a kid

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[–] Treczoks 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We should kick Höcke out of politics first. He has already left humanity long ago.-

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is horrifying of course, but I feel like coming out of a German politician in particular it's a bit of a red flag.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why is it any different because they are German?

I know what you are going to say, but we are a globalized world now and there are fascists in all governments

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Because history?

Like, I know the world is globalized now, and so are fascists, but that doesn't change the past century of events.

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