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[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

Someone should set up a new "shitamericanssay"

[–] Iron_Lynx 8 points 2 years ago

And a new USDefaultism while we're at it.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I live in the United States and although I grew up here using Fahrenheit, I switched to Celsius almost 10 years ago. Part of my reason for switching was the rest of the world was using Celsius and every time they would mention the temperature, I had no clue if that was very hot, or just right and kept having to convert, so since there were not that many countries that used Fahrenheit, I switched. I still know what the comfortable range is in Fahrenheit, but now I also know in Celsius as I use it every day. Also, I no longer appear to be an old curmudgeon that is resistant to using a system the rest of the world already uses.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

I did exactly this but with 24 hour clock lol

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 years ago (2 children)

there are 2 countries in the world that use Fahrenheit I know off the top of my head.

  • USA
  • Liberia (Used to be USA colony. Slaves were sent there after they were freed after the civil war)

More than 1 country in the world is retarded

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Some older people in the UK still prefer Fahrenheit, Celsius is still the official/default unit however.

A politician here recently tried to promote returning the UK to Imperial units, it has gone nowhere so far.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, because the suggestion made everyone laugh hysterically, even here in Australia lol.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Gotta break some stuff for a proper brexit.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It's not brexit unless it breaks it, after all.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Are you serious? That's pretty funny!

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Having the freezing point of water be at 0 instead of 32 just makes infinitely more sense.

[–] _ak 7 points 2 years ago

Celsius is also kinda arbitrary, but at least it sets its 0 and 100 to very fundamental, observable temperatures, namely the points where the state of matter of water changes. There are more constraints to it of course, in particular atmospheric pressure, and the modern definition of Celsius is actually purely based on Kelvin (which in turn uses the Boltzmann constant), but as long as you're not high up in the Andes, everybody can observe a pretty good approximation of it.

Its prevalence is also the outcome of a long process of many different scales. In 19th century Europe, before Celsius completely took over, Réaumur was also very popular. It set 0° at the freezing point of water and the boiling point at 80° under normal atmospheric conditions. Thinking about it, it's quite wonky to do that, but at least it's easy to convert to and from Celsius. On the other hand, the similarity in temperatures makes it slightly harder for plausibility checks.

I ran into this when researching the history of some stuff and the specific scale was not always included, but the temperatures in the particular context both made sense as Celsius and Réaumur. That's when you then have start digging through a whole early 19th century 500 page book printed in a German Gothic font just to see whether the specific temperature scale is mentioned anywhere.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

As someone who moved to the US later in life, I learned to use fahrenheit because there's no way to talk to anyone about the weather or cooking otherwise.

If you need to do the same one day, don't bother trying to convert in your head. Just learn the numbers conversationally. Familiarize yourself with how the weather feels with the number weather app shows.

I can't convert at all but I can use both C and F in conversation because one rarely needs exact numbers anyway. You learn the ballparks pretty quick.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I find the conversion between the two easy enough to do it my head.

This isn't exact but is close enough for conversations and 99% of my needs.

(Temp in F - 30) / 2

Examples

70F:
70F - 30 = 40
40 / 2 = 20C

10F:
10F - 30 = -20
-20 / 2 = -10C

The actual number is 21 / -12 but this is close enough for me 99.9% of the time

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Isn't Fahrenheit a "feel" temperature unit anyway? Once you need precision (science), even Americans switch to Celsius/Kelvin.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This, for sure. I live in the US and wanted to learn to understand Celsius so I switched my phone to use it. Internalizing a system works where translating/converting does not. I quickly learned that I feel comfortable in temperatures in the 20s. Since I feel comfortable in Fahrenheit temps in the upper 60s to mid 70s I can guess what the conversion is for most temps, but I don't have to do it to understand that I like how 22 C feels.

Similarly, if you're traveling and having to use a foreign currency I prefer to establish an idea in my head of cheap, reasonable, expensive than stopping to convert every price exactly. A "reasonable price" is relative to the item and location, of course, and should also affect my perspective.

Absorbing a new system by this method works fairly easily for temperatures and money, but less so for other measurements. I don't have as fine-tuned a sense of what ounces, pounds, or grams feel like as I do units of temperature. And I am always adding or subtracting 12 to understand time when expressed as 13h and up.

During the brief period when the US was encouraging metric system understanding there were many highway speed limit signs expressed as 55 mph / 88 kph. Every time I need to make that conversion I think of 5/8 because of that sign. And I usually just make guesstimates that work well enough.

I like learning new things. The generation before me in my family turned off their brains long ago and now suffer dementia. I work to keep my mind active. Learning other units of measure is one example.

Finally I'll say that I WISH I could get to a point of understanding languages this way without translation.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Sadly, language is a bit iffy when it comes to internalizing.

Unless you learn a language when you're a child, and ideally starting before you're ten, you won't get instinctive enough to match a native speaker's. That's just how our brain development works.

There's a special linguistic plasticity which is the language learning instinct that's fully active until we're ten or so and gradually declines and pretty much stops when we're in our early twenties.

What you learn until then is used by the language centers of your brain and is more or less reflexive. You don't need to think about it to use it, like walking.

After that, we can only learn languages intellectuality, which means we do have to think about it and deliberately listen and speak (or read and write obviously) using our prefrontal cortex.

Maybe one day we'll invent a technology or some medical treatment to turn it back on in later life.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I had once heard described that fahrenheit's best feature is that you can go "oh, 1-100, 'sheesh, that's really cold!' to 'hoof, that's pretty hot!'" and yeah, while I was in the US where most temperatures (RIP Florida) change all the time, that sure was convenient.

However, living in a country that always stays in the 80-100 range, the 'oh fuck, the water's freezing' to 'oh fuck, the heat death of the sun is upon us' range is a MUCH more useful scale to knowing if we've been struck by some sort of apocalyptic event today

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

F is kinda nice for weather as a scale of 1 to 100 of really cold feeling to really hot feeling. But for anything scientific or calibration related, C is great

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago

Disagree. Celsius is super helpful for determining if it's gonna snow or not, a key weather thing where I live. Humid and cold and below 0? Snow. Humid and cold and above 0? Rain or freezing rain.

Also helps with plants. Below 0? Frost.

I'd argue you can't get more intuitive than 0 is cold, below 0 is very cold. Celsius also plays nice with round numbers, every 5 or 10 degrees is a change in feeling. 0 is cold, 5 out is cooler, 10 out is cool, 15 is moderate, 20 is comfortable, 25 is room and warm, 30 is hot, 35+ is very hot. Every ten degrees we're doing big changes. 0 is frozen, 10 is cool, 20 is comfortable, 30 is hot. 32 being frozen doesn't feel as intuitive.

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