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Some games come with gigantic stacks of cards that I find hard to mix with card-friendly methods. Games like Ark Nova, Clank, Hogwarts Battle have unmanageable decks but I hate bending the cards.

Whats the best way?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Table-riffle, split into smaller decks if needed. Easy to learn and not too bad on the cards since you bend them much less than you'd with a regular riffle.

I enjoyed watching this video about how the pros do it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks for the vid, where does he speak about the shuffle? I tried to skip through but he was only talking about how to open in Ark nova. Do you have a timestamp

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

That video is more about managing the a large deck by splitting it and doing it to casino standards, meant it more as an interesting tidbit than a tutorial.

This 2 minute video explains the shuffle itself in detail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvLE_MCNOe4

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Normally when I’m struggling with a big deck I ask a friend to help out. It can get overwhelming handling all these big decks and your arm definitely can get sore.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

cut the deck into manageable stacks.

shuffle the stacks.

cut each stack, and mix the other half with a different stack.

reshuffle each new stack

reassemble the stacks into a complete deck.

repeat as desired.

[–] ace_garp 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I had a major shuffling speed boost with the No bend riffle shuffle , but a little modified, I hold the cards of one hand rotated 90 degrees.

This is after the full deck is broken down into manageable size chunks.

I highly recommend everyone try this style of riffle. It took one day to have a decent speedy riffle.

Probably still explain or ask permission before doing it with other peoples cards too.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

As someone with little hands, thank you! This technique makes shuffling large cards so much easier!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Much appreciated! This is what I was hoping for. I will have to practice a bit :)

[–] fubo 6 points 1 year ago

A deck for the Commander (EDH) version of Magic is 99 cards; usually sleeved. With good-quality card sleeves, "mash shuffling" usually works pretty well: split the deck in halves and just kinda push them together edge-to-edge, using the shape of the sleeves to help.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

With nice stiff sleeves, I cut the deck into manageable sizes, then push the bottom corner of one stack into the middle of another stack until they're riffled with each other.

I do that until every stack is paired with another, then cut the stacks and mash them into an unpaired stack.

Keep doing this until all the stacks have cards from every other original stack in them, then get somebody else to stack the stacks in whatever order they want.

Sometimes I also just leave the deck in multiple stacks (as you mentioned, Ark Nova's deck is huge, TM as well, and with sleeves can be impossible to stack high) and let people take the top card from either stack. Obviously if the top card of the deck can be manipulated then you need a rule for what happens in that case.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Shuffle them in smaller stacks then cut each and stack them differently and shuffle again. Repeat a few times.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I usually "deal" the cards face down in 6 different piles and then stack them together again, and repeat the process two or three times

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In TCG tournaments you usually do this with 5 or 7 stacks of cards to shuffle your cards.

[–] noonan1487 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can't comment on TCGs outside of MtG, but this is not considered sufficient shuffling in Magic tournaments (you may pile shuffle to count the cards in your deck, but it is not enough on its own). I would be surprised to find out that it's not also considered cheating in other games as well, since it is extremely easy to manipulate the location of cards while seeming to randomize your deck using this method, if you know what you're doing.

That said, in casual board game play, I don't see the issue with doing it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Interesting, the page you linked, does it explain anywhere what is the recommended shuffle style? It just says not to pile shuffle (only once), but maybe I missed it.

[–] noonan1487 1 points 1 year ago

I don't think it does, as it's a site concerned with MtG tournament rules. Generally, in a magic tournament, everyone has sleeved cards, so you'll often see mash shuffling or riffle shuffling.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

This, but I vary the number of piles between shuffles as well.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

sleeves make it super easy to shuffle without bending.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

A good way to shuffle large decks in my opinion is to get some sleeves an den learn to Mash Shuffle. Here is a video about this on YouTube. Depending on the form factor of your cards it may be tricky to get fitting sleeves, but if you do it's very much a game changer.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We broke down and got a shuffler for playing rainbow pirate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

what kind of shuffler? Like a Casino one?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is the one I got

Nileole 1-6 Decks Automatic Card Shuffler, Battery-Operated Electric Shuffler for UNO,Phase10, Texas Hold'em, Poker, Home Card Games, Blackjack, Home Party Club Game (6 Deck) https://a.co/d/5UTBs8t

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It feels kind of flimsy, but it shuffles real well. I wouldn't want to travel with it very much.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

These are kinda affordable, do you know if these also work with sleeved cards?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I haven't tested, but I think that they will probably work

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For Ark Nova before we place the board we do something like this

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

We did two games with a new ark nova and the cards were not random enough. We reshuffled again and are on a third game and it appears a bit better. I guess with time it will improve.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I usually sleeve the cards on card heavy games, so regular shuffling doesn't work for me. Usually, I will give some cards to another player or two and we will all do some shuffling of those cards, then hand some of the cards from our pile to someone else, while taking some of their cards and shuffling them into the group I kept.

Doing this allows for the shuffling to be divided by a few people, making the amount of cards being shuffled by each individual more manageable. It also helps to get the other players involved in set up, which can keep them from being bored.

[–] PeriaptGames 1 points 1 year ago

I'm a terrible shuffler. For a tall stack I split into two or three, shuffle each, then split and merge.

[–] TAG 1 points 1 year ago

For games with excessively large decks, when I first get the game or add in a new expansion I take a chunk of the cards that I can comfortably shuffle and shuffle it. Then, I set aside about half of the shuffled cards and shuffle in about as many of the unshuffled. I go through the whole deck like this a few times. It is not perfect, but it is probably random enough.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I usually break them up and shuffle the broken sections up randomly. Don't just go for the whole thing at once

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Of for sure, I do break it into smaller sections. But must methods leave the deck not as random as I would like. Even if I split and shuffle

[–] yads 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What makes you think the deck is not random enough?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

When you draw a five cards and three were in the same sequence present in the last game. Or the same card that's grouped together because of game mechanics.

[–] yads 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In that case I'd say pile shuffle before regular shuffle is the way to go

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yea, that's what I usually do. With breaking up the regular shuffle into smaller stacks when the deck is huge.

[–] yads 4 points 1 year ago

Sleeved cards is also good, because you can usually skip the pile shuffle and just do the mash shuffle

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Could not have summarized this any better

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