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[–] Graphine 98 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Honestly, with Apple making it incredibly fucking hard to take out their batteries with excessive amounts of glue, I'm okay with this.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Fingers crossed that this will be implemented well, im tired of having sleek electronics be irrelevant in 2 years when the silicon could go for 5 or six

[–] j4k3 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

The silicon could go on for decades if both the modem and processor were fully documented hardware that the community can access and support in the Linux kernel.

I can run a secure and current form of Linux on 30+ year old hardware if I want to, because the hardware documentation was expected by everyone at the time even if some end users were oblivious to what this meant. The whole reason google pushes Android is because they provide a base Linux kernel that hardware manufacturers can easily slip their proprietary junk into without requiring them to add the kind of open source code needed for mainline kernel support by the community. This is the mechanism that depreciates your device. It is totally artificial and an end user exploitation by design.

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[–] golli 22 points 1 year ago

Add to that requirements for longer software support. At least for security patches.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Hooray! Younger generations will finally be able to experience the joy of dropping their phone and having to pick up three to four different pieces! /s

(I'm all for this change, by the way)

[–] _MoveSwiftly 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh I remember that with Nokias. It's like shock absorbing for cars lol.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was 12, I think, when I got my first phone. A Nokia. I was mortified the first time it happened. Then clack-clack-clack I was taught to put it together again.

Happened many more times afterwards.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (15 children)

Phones are getting more expensive so people are holding on to them longer, so it's a nice quality of life improvement to remove the barriers to battery replacement so less people have to go down to a phone repair store to get it changed. The more of a hassle battery replacement is seen the more likely people are to just upgrade and create e-waste.

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[–] konalt 61 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I actually love all these regulations on smartphones (mainly by the EU), like the recent USB-C standard. That one in particular makes it so much easier to share chargers around the house!

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

As a USA citizen, thanks EU for making our cellphone companies not be dick's.

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[–] guy 55 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Excellent! Batteries in modern phones are surprisingly definitely removable and replaceable. I've done it multiple times. However, the unfriendly barrier to entry is glue and clips that require careful prying with spugers. It's quite clear manufacturers are happy blocking you getting in; plenty people just buy new phones when the battery gets too old.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Worst was when the batteries were glued to the screen so you could break the entire phone apart trying to change it yourself.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (8 children)

If this goes through, I think it would be really good news. Battery failure is one of the leading things that force people to replace their smartphones, and having them be replaceable would go a long way towards making smartphones last longer.

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[–] got2best 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do y'all remember the days when you dropped your phone and it exploded into 3 or 4 pieces? 🤣 Those were the good days.

[–] dustojnikhummer 25 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Three. Battery, cover and the rest. Weirdly, no damage to the plastic display. How? I guess it was the ~~weather~~ bezel

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[–] Simplificity 39 points 1 year ago

right to repair LETS GOOO

[–] Ginjutsu 36 points 1 year ago (36 children)

This is actually pretty crazy. Wonder how much it'll affect the overall design of modern smartphones. Will we witness the return of flagships with plastic back covers?

[–] TurretCorruption 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

God i hope so. I miss being able to just pop the back off and change out my battery. It was great for sd and sim card slots too. I am quite excited for this

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I couldn't care less if the back cover is plastic, it's just going inside a case anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

That'd be awesome. I don't understand why people think a glass back is premium. Your premium glass back doesn't look so fancy when it's shattered into a million pieces or sandwiched behind a $10 phone case from China.

I've hung on to my Note 4 that I bought in 2014 (no longer use it daily) and it's still in one piece even though it never lived in a case. The plastic and aluminum body have plenty of battle scars but no cracks or functional damage. This MFer is almost 10 years old now on its 5th or 6th battery and still hanging in there despite its aged hardware. Now that is a premium design.

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[–] arseneau 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is awesome. Thank god for EU legislation that directly benefits me as an American consumer. Now I can microwave lithium ion batteries in peace!

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[–] MargotRobbie 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Here's hope to standardized USB-C connector charging will also happen outside of Europe for the rest of the world.

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[–] FabulousCable3945 29 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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[–] boo 28 points 1 year ago (27 children)

I do miss being able to swap out a phone battery and this will certainly be a step in the right direction in terms ewaste and device longevity.

One thing that I wonder about is waterproofing or water resistance. Some phones are basically waterproof in shallow water. How achievable is this with a device with a trivial way to remove the battery?

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The Galaxy S5 sport had a battery door and water resistance. They just used gaskets.

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[–] Doodoocaca 26 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Misleading title. Phones can still be glued. Waterproof phones still don't need to have a user replaceable battery (the battery needs to be replaceable but by professionals).

[–] pimterry 23 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Do you have a reference for that? From all the documentation I've seen elsewhere, that's not true. There's no exclusion for waterproof devices, and everything has to be possible with tools a normal person can buy (you might need to go to a local hardware store, but no unique specialist expensive kit).

The full law is here: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/docs_autres_institutions/commission_europeenne/com/2020/0798/COM_COM(2020)0798_EN.pdf. It only mentions 'water' 3 times and none of them relate to waterproof phones (they're talking about batteries of waterbourne transport & environmental impact of water use) so I don't know where that's coming from.

It's totally possible to make waterproof phones with removable batteries - Samsung did it with the Galaxy S5 (IP67 - 1 meter under water for 30 minutes) way back in 2014 and there's lots of other examples. It's just not quite as cheap as glueing everything together.

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[–] connelhooley 25 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Although this is obviously a step in the right direction it needs to be followed up with security updates, no point increasing the life of the hardware without doing the same for the software.

[–] Emerald_Earth 34 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Making it illegal to lock bootloaders would make each device community-maintainable.

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[–] HeavyRaptor 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is very neat! I wonder how this is going to impact almost all phones these days having some sort of ingress protection. They glue the phones together to keep the water out, it would still be nice to have the option for water-resistant phones, but the manufacturers just gonna have to figure it out

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Removable batteries existed in smart phones before. There are plenty of devices today, walkie talkies for example, that are fully waterproof and are battery swappable.

Manufacturers just want your money.

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[–] Noreia 24 points 1 year ago

Good, it's a small victory but one step closer to a society that doesn't create waste just to buy the next new shiny toy. Products should be build to last, be easily repairable and create as little waste as possible (which isn't possible in a system that demands unlimited growth over anything else). If we want to have a somewhat ok climate in the future, just focusing on electric vehicles (which are doing the whole subscription to access your hardware fully, not easily repairable bs as well) isn't gonna cut it.

[–] WhiteHawk 23 points 1 year ago

Thank you, Mr. EU

[–] xtract 23 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It might lead to thicker phones, but battery and/or SW obsolescence are the main reasons I have been swapping phone in the last 10 years.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wonder if phone manufacturers will fragment their offerings to satisfy EU requirements or if we'll all end up with removable batteries.

[–] moridinbg 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It will be a pretty major redesign of the chasis and body to accommodate a removable battery and the cover, so I think it would make little economical sense to maintain two designs for every phone sold here.

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[–] scarabic 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I can’t wait to hear the Apple marketing word for this feature. They’ll add some gimmick like the battery is held in with magnets and say “We call it MagPack and we think you’re going to love it.”

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[–] illumrial 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Now make SD cards mandatory and you've got something really good.

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[–] RFBurns 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One of the few areas where I favor a "One-world" standard.

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[–] Nerrad 16 points 1 year ago

Good. I haven't been able to replace a battery since my S4.

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