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[–] arotrios 5 points 40 minutes ago

Someone's doing the happy hunny dance....

[–] [email protected] 3 points 29 minutes ago* (last edited 21 minutes ago)

That feels like "robbing Peter to pay Paul". We don't want to be dependent on either nationalist autocracy.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

I dont think there is a single privacy friendly EV on the market.

If a Canadian company could build and export an EV that wasn't loaded with invasive sensors and where the data recording and uploading was opt-in (or non existent), loads of US Americans and Europeans would import them from Canada.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 31 minutes ago

I think you can expand that to all cars, not just EVs.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 hours ago

I think we should build them ourselves.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

Why can't you guys make your own? Its not hard. Musk figured it out.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 49 minutes ago

No he didn’t. They were already making them when he got there.

[–] Litebit 2 points 32 minutes ago

musk didn't build anything.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 30 minutes ago

I mean, we literally can and have (as a concept car). Should I link my recent post here about it?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Canada has the same incentive to not open the door to Chinese EVs that the US does.

Why would they shoot themselves in the face just to splash some blood on someone else?

[–] Gewoonmoi 9 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Canada doesn't have the incentives that the Americans have at all. Correct me if I'm wrong. America's incentive is to protect its own EV industry, Canada doesn't have an EV industry of its own.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 18 minutes ago

You're wrong. Just the nature of of the auto industry makes it a little confusing since the entirety of a car isn't manufactured in one country. But there are a lot of components for EVs manufactured in Canada. There's especially a focus on manufacturing batteries for EVs which is the single most important component in an EV. And more plants for battery manufacturing are under construction.

[–] FabledAepitaph 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

What is the reason btw? Genuinely asking because I dunno

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

It isn’t that an inexpensive electric vehicle from China is bad, in fact that’s great.

The issue is that the cars are subsidized at such a rate that it goes beyond domestic incentive and into “we’ll just make sure no matter what we can sell for less than the competition” in an effort to drive any competition out of business.

It’s an anticompetitive practice that has significant impacts if allowed unchecked.

This is not meant as a value statement about the west, USA or Canada … as in I’m not saying “China bad when they do it, west good when they do it” because it’s bad when it’s done by whoever does it.

Effectively it’s a lever to weaponize fair trade and that’s antithetical to the idea of fair trade, at least insomuch as the international community tends to agree.

[–] Jhex 3 points 44 minutes ago

Yes but Canada has no EV industry... so, even if it's just temporarily to provide Canadians with an option while telling American companies to suck it... what's the problem?

Are we really going to say we don't to business with China because of anti-competitive practices when we have been doing business with American doing WAY worse all along?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago

A worthwhile note is also that pretty much all US car manufacturers have dragged their feet doing EVs, excluding Tesla. So naturally US car manufacturers are struggling a lot with the massive costs related to adopting EVs now, and struggle competing with a country that spent this money getting established a good while ago.

The subsidies are still a problem, but the 100% tax is in my view a massive handout to domestic manufacturers that never bothered to try until they were behind. That 100% price increase in Chinese will probably mean high margins on EVs for yet some years before cheap alternatives come along.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

Why does that matter to Canada? They don't make their own EVs. They have no domestic manufacturers to protect against dumping. Might as well just get as many cheap vehicles as you can, while you can.

[–] Gewoonmoi 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Tesla stands no chance to compete with Chinese vehicles. It's wild how high quality and cheap these Chinese cars are.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 52 minutes ago (1 children)

I wouldn't really call the high quality tbh. At least better than Tesla.

[–] Gewoonmoi 2 points 29 minutes ago

Supposedly, the quality is amazing. Here in the Netherlands, a car called Zeekr is making the rounds. They're supposed to be terrific cars. And that's a brand I had never heard of until a few weeks ago

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